291 Morphic Resonance

UFO “disclosure” is trending, the Epstein list keeps stalling, and AI is quietly becoming the referee for what counts as true. We follow the thread that ties those headlines together and it takes us straight into Palantir, Peter Thiel, and a bigger question: what happens to a society when people stop thinking and start deferring to systems that promise certainty?

We talk through why UFO narratives can operate like attention management, and why Jason Giorgiani’s framing of Epstein is less about the tabloid details and more about the structures behind them: elite networks, kompromat dynamics, and the weird overlap of occult symbolism with state and aerospace mythology. Along the way we get into the “name magic” you can’t unsee once you notice it: Apollo, Apophis, and how branding and ritual language can shape public perception without ever asking permission.

Then we bring it back to everyday life: AI cognitive surrender, why “just ask ChatGPT” can become a belief system, and how real empiricism means testing ideas in lived experience, not just appealing to authority. We also touch telepathy research (Rupert Sheldrake’s telephone telepathy), remote viewing lore, and why black projects moving into private contractors makes transparency harder.

If you like conversations about Palantir surveillance tech, AI and society, Epstein and UFO disclosure, and media programming, this one’s for you. Subscribe, share it with a friend who argues with robots, and leave a review with the one topic you want us to chase next.

Transcript

Cruise Return And Loose Warm-Up

SPEAKER_10 1:04

What's up, Mitchell? I'm back. You're back. We're all back. Drake got more tan. I got more tan. Is this a black out? What? No. Wow. You got racist all of a sudden, Drake. You've changed. You've changed since before the cruise. Well, hey everyone. Hey, 12 12 years. No, no, no. Since I got to hang out with you in person. And I uh I got to see what really goes on at Drake Pearson's household. A cat that dominates this room. There's one room in the house that this cat is just dominating. That's true. Until he until here no further. So hey everybody. Oh we got some reposts. Oh, Giselle. Giselle, we missed you on the cruise, but you get an extra week of life. Aliyah where's that repost? Who is the first? Uh I see Giselle and Miza. That's it. Okay. But I also have a lot of tabs open. See, I hung out with Drake so much on a resonant level, I just started getting more tabs. I'm just kidding. Uh, we just have a lot to talk about today. That's nice. The world is changing. The world's changing fast, y'all.

SPEAKER_06 2:16

Oh, there's Austin.

SPEAKER_10 2:17

I see. Aliah claims she was the first?

SPEAKER_06 2:20

I don't know. You can make claims all you like. You know, anybody can make claims, you know. I can make claims to whatever.

SPEAKER_10 2:30

It doesn't make it so. I can claim that the Antichrist is coming. Doesn't mean it's it's happening.

SPEAKER_06 2:36

Well, well, Peter Thiel also claims that.

SPEAKER_10 2:40

So oh yeah, Peter Thiel. If anyone ever watched that interview with Peter Teal and that guy Ross, whatever. Ross. No, no, no, no, not Ross Perot. Ross, some some medium-level guy at New York Times. Is his name Ross? It is his name is Ross, but it's like Ross. It sounds like Ross Albrecht, but it's not Ross Albrecht. Anyway, uh, yeah, that Peter Teal clip. If anyone doesn't know what we're talking about, you know what? It could be worth pulling up, but I have so many damn tabs open I'm not gonna. I'll I'll spoil it for everybody. Peter Thiel.

SPEAKER_07 3:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 3:16

If you don't know who Peter Teal is, who is he? Oh my god. Dude, on the hangout, you know we asked who knows what Palantir is? I thought everybody was gonna know I know. That's why sometimes I gotta DM you in the chat, Drake. I'm like, hey, some of the shit we're sharing might go a little bit over people's heads.

SPEAKER_06 3:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Peter Thiel And Palantir Basics

SPEAKER_10 3:35

You're like Drake. Okay, if there were a reptilian uh overlord of this planet, it would be Peter Teal. Mitch, you were not yelling like this before the podcast.

SPEAKER_07 3:47

Oh, sorry. I said your your mic was speaking.

SPEAKER_10 3:51

Okay, okay. Is it good now? Is it good now?

SPEAKER_06 3:54

I don't know. Let's ask Giselle.

SPEAKER_10 3:55

Giselle, hey, you're an apple list for me. Okay. Rate me from one to ten, but not with how loud it is, but with how good it sounds. And not the not the content of what I'm saying, but like, does it sound pleasing in your ears?

SPEAKER_06 4:09

The quality of his sound.

SPEAKER_10 4:10

The quality of my sound. Is it is it a 10? And if not, send me some feedback.

SPEAKER_06 4:15

Flowfire, whoever that is, says 10.

SPEAKER_10 4:18

Wow, Aliah just admitted. She says, How did you repost, Giselle? Because I repost the second I get a notification that they're live. I think you gotta sit on you gotta sit on the on the page itself and pressure.

SPEAKER_06 4:31

Giselle says you sound great.

SPEAKER_10 4:32

It's like you're getting it's like you gotta get Coachella tickets. Okay? There's only a limited amount.

SPEAKER_06 4:37

Flowfire says, I'm Madeline. Okay. All right. Shout out Flowfire. I'll believe that when I see it, Flowfire. Flow Fire.

SPEAKER_07 4:46

Until further notice, you have Flowfire.

SPEAKER_10 4:50

I like Flowfire. Drake, did you ever play the game called Dungeons and Dragons? I'll get back to Peter Teal in a second, I promise.

SPEAKER_06 4:58

Um, I've not ever played.

SPEAKER_10 5:00

Have you heard of the premise behind it though?

SPEAKER_06 5:02

Definitely.

SPEAKER_10 5:03

I've watched people play. Oh, you've watched people play it? What it's like that's like the kids who watch the streamer and they're not actually playing? No, you're watching them stream like Dunches and Dragons.

SPEAKER_06 5:14

Hold on.

SPEAKER_10 5:14

First of all, first of all, you're peeking a little bit. You're peeking a little bit. I'm peeking. Oh god, now Cameron's in here. Uh-oh. Okay, listen.

SPEAKER_06 5:24

I will change the settings on my settings.

SPEAKER_10 5:27

All I was saying is if if if we did end up playing Dungeons and Dragons sometime, Madeline's name would have to then be Flowfire. And she would be like uh a wizard, a wizard ass.

SPEAKER_06 5:36

Okay, no, no, Austin.

SPEAKER_10 5:37

No, it's uh Cameron, you're not on the studio, so if you're saying something. It's not exactly the same. Let me show you. There he is. Hey Cameron's just lurking.

SPEAKER_05 5:43

I feel like everybody's really loud. Is it just me guys?

SPEAKER_06 5:46

I don't know my butt- my audio is just no, your ears are open. Mitch is really loud. And you do sound like not that loud.

SPEAKER_10 5:56

Uh well, I'm I'm gonna stay this loud because I got a 9 out of 10 and a 10 out of 10 rating in the chat, so you just gotta turn your volume down, Cam.

SPEAKER_06 6:04

Turn your volume up, Cam. You have to get your ears to bleed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:10

Get up to my walking dude.

SPEAKER_10 6:13

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_06 6:13

Um I was just about to talk about Peterski. If I ever played Dungeons and Dragons, and I said we already got on two tangents.

SPEAKER_05 6:21

But I have you think I'm far away from my mic, huh? Is that what do you think, Kimmy? I mean, who's Mike? You think I'm far away from my mic, Cam? I don't know who Mike is. Shout out, Flowfire.

SPEAKER_10 6:33

This was her artist name. Flowfire. If you ever play Dungeons and Dragons, you gotta be you gotta you gotta say that. So anyway, uh Cameron, on the hangout on Friday night. Is that Madeline? It's it's Madeline, yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:46

No, we're calling her Flowfire. Flowfire. That sounds like one of those cats from that store, those books my daughter likes to read.

SPEAKER_06 6:52

Oh, there you go. There you go.

SPEAKER_10 6:55

So uh so Cameron, on the on the hangout on Friday night, we were talking about Palantir. And Drake was just about to go in on a rant. He's like, Palantir, fucking drones, AI, surveillance. I was like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Everyone, drop in the chat like a one if you've heard of Palantir and a zero if you haven't. It was uh eyebrow raising how many people had not even heard of Palantir. If they hadn't heard of Palantir. Yes! Yes, yes. So I'm full of rage. Oh wow. This is how we rage Bay Cameron.

SPEAKER_05 7:25

We just tell him what was this that you asked me about.

SPEAKER_10 7:29

This is on the self-perfected fucking hangout with like people in the group who listen to the podcast. Yes. So we we we maybe have to repeat ourselves a few more times. I think I was explaining Palantir, Palantir. Wait, don't take me the times.

SPEAKER_07 7:43

Don't take the LG.

SPEAKER_10 7:45

Hold on.

SPEAKER_05 7:46

Drake, Drake, your microphone sounds real intense. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Everybody's does, guys. Everybody's intense today.

SPEAKER_09 7:51

Guys, we're back from the cruise.

SPEAKER_05 7:53

We're going more crazy than ever.

SPEAKER_07 7:54

Mitchell's just really intense. You guys, I said I said we have to go. I said we have to go follow up.

SPEAKER_10 8:00

I think Gin Zoom is a podcast. Just like constantly ear rot. We should be like that one guy who is reading the book and shouting, who obviously had a very low reading speed. Rikon, what's his name? Yeah, I know who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_05 8:14

Palantir?

SPEAKER_10 8:15

Palantir. It's like episode 200. Anyway, it it it's irrelevant. Wow. Oh. I was just about to explain who Peter Teal is, and I was I was saying, if there was a reptile.

SPEAKER_06 8:27

She said she'd never heard the bar.

SPEAKER_10 8:29

Wow. The poppy.

SPEAKER_05 8:33

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, we just have to shame people in recognizing their example.

SPEAKER_10 8:38

Who here knew that uh Peter who here knows this is like trivia?

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_10 8:44

Knows what Peter Teal is an anagram for. Anybody? The right. Anybody? Oh, Drake. Yes, you're right. Also, also Peter Teal is the founder of Palantir. Okay, if anyone doesn't know.

SPEAKER_05 8:58

Peter Teal. No, he's not the founder, but Palantir. He's the guy who got the funding. Maybe he's the founder. I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 9:08

Yes, he is the he's co-founded it with Alex Carp and others. Sorry. Oh, Alex Carp is a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 9:13

He doesn't run day-to-day, but yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 9:14

Yeah. And if anyone doesn't know Alex Carp, holy shit, that guy is on. That guy is full on.

SPEAKER_07 9:20

Okay, what is a carp? Look that up.

SPEAKER_10 9:23

It sounds like the name of a Pokemon. A fish? Well, it's a fish.

SPEAKER_06 9:27

And yes, it they did name a Pokemon after the fish.

SPEAKER_05 9:30

Hey, you guys want to hear something really funny? Real quick. Side tangent. Yeah. Okay, I'll tell you. Tangent on the tangent. So last night on the stream, I was talking about that new disclosure movie that's coming out, right? Oh, you gotta tell us about it. I don't know anything about it. I'll go into more detail later, but I just want to tell you this part. So because it's relevant to names, right? So then I was like, oh dude, it's a Steven Spielberg movie, right? Yeah. So then we're looking at all the movies he's made, and it's like it's crazy. But his name is Spielberg, and I was thinking about it, and I was like, Spiel? Like, what's a Spiel?

SPEAKER_10 9:59

You like kind of like a rant?

SPEAKER_05 10:01

Yeah, like look it up. It's like when you're telling us a story, a persuasive story, but that people are like dubious or skeptical about it or whatever. Like, come on, give me your spiel, right? But then if you go to the German, it means like to play or like like a theater play. And I'm like, dude, the mo like if you look his Wikipedia, he's like the most renowned awarded director ever in history. And I'm like, and his name happens to be Spielberg, like the guy who tells us what happened in all kinds of different events, and like I was just like, what the fuck, dude? Anyway, so that's funny. I was like, how has no one ever noticed this?

SPEAKER_10 10:36

I wonder what berg means in German. Hey, Flowfire, can you tell us what Berg is? Is it?

SPEAKER_05 10:42

No, it's like whenever you're hungry, it's like a burger, but you just don't want to say the rest of it. Like, I'll take a berg, I'll take two bergs. That was me on the cruise ship. I'll take two burgs and a fellow.

SPEAKER_10 10:51

That was Josiah and Pedro on the cruise ship. God damn, those guys can eat. Uh what does berg mean? Like a thing that's like a city, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 11:02

Yeah, mountain or hill. So he's a whole mountain full of spieling. I mean like a city as in like a mountain.

SPEAKER_06 11:08

Wait, I thought Mountain. There we go, Flopfire. Maybe that's in Russian. Maybe in Russian it's not.

SPEAKER_05 11:14

But I think and then it be kind of just becomes like you throw it onto a city. Yeah. Or like iceberg, you know?

SPEAKER_09 11:20

Yeah, like an ice city. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 11:23

Spiel mountain. That's pretty good. So speaking of speaking of the cruise, guys. That was fun. It's good to see you guys. You know? Did you guys like it?

SPEAKER_05 11:33

Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_10 11:36

How about you, Drake? We didn't, we didn't, you know, I know there was a lot of people in the group that were afraid because they got programmed from Titanic, which dude, it was that there's no way that was uh that wasn't that doesn't seem like a Spielberg movie.

SPEAKER_05 11:48

Titanic. I think it was. No, I think that was James Cameron.

SPEAKER_10 11:51

James Cameron. Oh. Yeah, he's the other one. So I never watched Titanic. So I wasn't scared of the cruise, but hey, we all walked through that fear of what if our ship sinks? And we're here. We're alive, guys.

SPEAKER_06 12:06

Yeah, you know, Titanic wasn't real. No, don't tell me.

SPEAKER_10 12:12

Don't tell me there's like a conspiracy and it somehow relates to the money system. And like there were people on it that got taken out. Don't tell me. This would be such a good plot for a movie. Nothing happens by accident, everything is specific.

unknown 12:26

Fuck.

SPEAKER_10 12:28

Yeah, guys, if anyone hasn't heard that conspiracy either, drop a zero in the chat if you haven't heard the titanium.

SPEAKER_06 12:33

Are we still calling it a conspiracy? Come on, Dave.

SPEAKER_10 12:35

Drake already knows. No, the conspiracy is the other thing that was just random with Leonardo DiCaprio as the main character.

SPEAKER_05 12:44

Oh, dude. You know who made you know Leonardo DiCaprio? Remember Catch Me If You Can?

SPEAKER_07 12:49

Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_05 12:50

Oh yeah. Spielberg. He literally made a movie called Catch Me If You Can.

SPEAKER_10 12:57

Damn. Who is the other dude who is real weird? Um Stephen King? I think. He's the one. He was like, he got really outspoken during the lockdown era. Yeah, but he was like very outspoken, like talking shit about the administration and everything.

SPEAKER_06 13:14

I think he wrote it. Have you ever read it?

SPEAKER_10 13:17

No. I watched the original one. Have you ever read the end of it? Uh is it is it either related to pedophilia or he turns into a spider or some shit?

SPEAKER_05 13:26

It's not pedophilia, but it's a bunch of children. Use your imagination.

SPEAKER_10 13:33

Yeah, yeah, it's it's really fucked up. So, I mean, imagine you you're Stephen King and you come up with all these twisted stories, like you gotta be kind of a fucked up human to do that. Um, I remember watching do you guys watch the original it uh from the 90s or whatever?

SPEAKER_05 13:52

Yeah, I yeah, I saw it when I was a kid.

OCD Coping And Counting Infinity

SPEAKER_10 13:54

That was yeah, when you're kidding. I remember watching that in high school. I'm like watching it with my girlfriend and all my friends, and I had to like be cool. And inside I'm like, holy fuck, I'm so scared. And then and you know, but you can't act like a bitch, and so you know, I'm just like sitting there. But so so then I I this was my own form of my psychosis. So I started then uh rooting for uh it's like you root for the bad guy in the movie, uh, because if you're so then I'm like, oh, if I was the clown, I was really gonna like scare him, I'd go here so that way I could you know maintain my composure.

SPEAKER_05 14:26

So you psychologically cope with it by becoming evil.

SPEAKER_10 14:28

No, no, no. I I I was just predicting the evil so I could prevent the evil, so I didn't look like a bitch. That was micro for OCD. Dude, talk about OCD. That was like my childhood. I was telling Drake. They called it uh dude, I don't even know who called it.

SPEAKER_05 14:48

Do you know how people all the time say shit like, well, you know, like my OCD, that's because my OCD? Yeah. And we just write that off, right? When you're like, oh, they're just like making an excuse for why they're doing something weird. They're probably like literally like, look, I'm I'm I'm trying to tell you, I'm sure I'm I'm I'm reaching out for help here. I literally think I'm gonna die if I don't put this cup down five times. They're like telling you when they say that oh, it's because of my OCD. You know what I mean? Like when you hear that, you're like, oh, I'm just making an excuse for like a weird behavior. Yeah, it's kind of funny. Yeah, but it's actually telling you like that. Dude, you should go in on ADD.

SPEAKER_10 15:17

You should go in on A D D sometimes too. That's a really common one people use it as an excuse. Oh, I'm like ADHD.

SPEAKER_06 15:24

Who's like ADD and S C B T R A C T.

SPEAKER_05 15:28

Can you go in on counting? Can you go in on I'm gonna do a deep dive on my stream tonight on counting? No, do it on math.

unknown 15:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:37

That being said, a lot about counting, we don't know. Dude, uh yes.

SPEAKER_10 15:41

You talk about the number line? Well, okay, count all the numbers between zero to one. See, that's I need a deep dive on that, Cameron. Think about it.

SPEAKER_06 15:51

You cannot.

SPEAKER_10 15:52

Yeah, it's a levels of infinity, right? Actually, it isn't.

SPEAKER_06 15:56

Well it's yeah, it's infinite. It's finite, but it's like it's such a great number.

SPEAKER_05 16:04

Is the No, I think it's infinite. Is the interval zero?

SPEAKER_10 16:09

See, most people don't even know what interval means, Cameron. Uh no, it's not. Can anyone hear honestly? Besides Drake and Cameron, the math too is say what interval means.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

But I'm pretty sure the rational numbers from zero to one are countable. If I remember correctly.

SPEAKER_06 16:27

Rational numbers from zero to one are countable?

SPEAKER_05 16:30

I think so.

SPEAKER_10 16:31

See, notice everyone in your brain, everyone listening to this. Notice how your brain just shut off the moment he said rational number. Are the rationals countable? Yes, the rationals are countable.

SPEAKER_06 16:39

The rationals are countable. How is that possible?

SPEAKER_10 16:46

How is that possible? Drake is having an existential crisis. He's got a country. That doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_06 16:51

Because you can always you can always extend the denominator.

SPEAKER_05 16:54

You can always count to another number.

SPEAKER_06 17:01

Okay, yeah. Okay, okay, countable, but that doesn't mean finite.

SPEAKER_05 17:07

Oh I didn't say finite.

SPEAKER_06 17:08

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Countable, sure. Whatever. Fine.

SPEAKER_05 17:11

But but the all but the real numbers you would have won are not countable.

SPEAKER_06 17:16

So Because you'd have to continue with like, you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 17:21

It's like a course called number the number theory in college. That's pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_06 17:26

A quarter of pi. A quarter of pi. You would never be able to finish that number.

SPEAKER_05 17:31

Finish it?

SPEAKER_06 17:32

Yeah, finish a lot of pie.

SPEAKER_05 17:35

Finish like you finish line pie. Study number theory. It's interesting. It's pretty interesting.

Cruise Culture And Pop Song Overload

SPEAKER_10 17:42

Yeah, well, I'm uh I'll I'll watch a live stream on it. Now, you fucking nerds. Get let's get back to the important shit of our world. Like these gasoline refineries are being blown up everywhere. I thought you were about to start singing gasolina. I was I was excited. No, I'm surprised that wasn't one of the repetitive uh ten songs that was on the cruise ship.

SPEAKER_06 18:06

Bro.

SPEAKER_10 18:07

I heard Fireball by Pitbull four times a day every day.

SPEAKER_06 18:11

I just like I I just start singing songs, and I'm like, That's not one of them, thankfully. Thankfully, but the other ones are just as bad, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:24

Oh, you know what I heard on the elevator? Um ready. I'm ready. Yeah, what is that song? It's that that Sam Smith song. Remember, we talked about a long time ago.

SPEAKER_10 18:37

Oh Sam Smith. That sucks. Sam Smith's got that. No, I was waiting for them to play Thanks by the Riverbank. Well, but it never came out. And then I saw Kyler. I was like, Kyler?

SPEAKER_06 18:55

He would have gone crazy if he heard his song. I know.

SPEAKER_10 18:58

I would have gone crazy. Yeah. So so everyone. Uh the world didn't blow up since last week.

SPEAKER_09 19:07

Well, that's nice.

SPEAKER_10 19:08

Um, I have some I have I have all sorts of clips here, guys. We can go in on. Mitchell's ready. Mitchell's ready to die.

SPEAKER_05 19:16

You know what's unfortunate, Drake, is that Mitch didn't listen to any of that Giorgiani stuff. I know.

Epstein List Versus UFO Distraction

SPEAKER_10 19:21

No, so I've I've listened to Giorgiani a little bit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But but but I don't I don't know the basics of the Prometheus and Atlas. So maybe you could enlighten. Oh what? I I was I didn't want to talk about that. I wanted to talk about Epstein. Oh, dude, I heard a little bit from a podcast one time. This was when I was driving down to Texas, so I had like hours, and he was saying some shit about like Epstein, cloning Atlantis, that kind of stuff. Is that okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Remember, but but hey, last time I brought up Island Boys, you guys had a reaction. So you know, remember the Island Boys?

SPEAKER_09 19:57

Yeah. What the fuck are you talking about?

SPEAKER_10 19:59

There's a conspiracy that the Island Boys are his clone children. Oh my god. Those those would not be the ones he's trying to clone.

SPEAKER_07 20:07

Mitch Mitchell.

SPEAKER_10 20:09

No, no, like he tried to clone, and then they were like a dumbed-down offshoot. And so they wouldn't be brown. Mitchell's. I I'm just saying, I just heard the conspiracy because it's an island, you know, like Epstein Island.

SPEAKER_07 20:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:24

That's that's just see, this is just this is just um that's called word of the city. This is the credibility.

SPEAKER_07 20:29

Yeah. That's like okay. Enlighten me.

SPEAKER_06 20:32

Okay, I clearly don't know anything. Conspiracy. That's the conspiracy that the CIA gives me.

SPEAKER_05 20:45

Shut up.

unknown 20:46

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 20:47

Okay, okay. So enlighten me then, please. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 20:51

You know what? I'm not even gonna defend myself. Because everybody knows how ridiculous you sound right now. Cameron. No, I I shut up.

SPEAKER_10 20:59

I think we have one other listener who understands any of that, and that's uh Katie. And she's listening right now. She understands so part of the Okay, what's what's the premise with this whole Epstein anti-gravity and cloning?

SPEAKER_05 21:14

Well, man, there's so much context.

SPEAKER_06 21:17

Hold on. Uh yes, let's let's build the context. First of all, first of all, Mitch, what are you seeing a lot of on you know, just X from the White House and you know, immediate exactly final answer. There you go. Correct ding ding ding ding ding. We should have a prize for Mitchell. Do we have a prize for Mitchell? Uh you guys coffee mug right there, full of coffee that came from that's your prize.

SPEAKER_05 21:45

Hey, I'm gonna buy an elementary textbook on mathematics. Oh, nice. Make sure it's a good one, make sure it wasn't published by Ghislaine Maxwell's fucking dad. So oh, you know, and remember that time we looked into it and it was like, no, he didn't write the textbooks and all this shit? Yeah but actually there's a lot more to it than that. And apparently he had Paragon Publishing, which was which was in control of like all of the peer review science.

SPEAKER_06 22:08

Was it Paragon?

SPEAKER_05 22:10

Or no not Paragon.

SPEAKER_06 22:11

Pergamon, right?

SPEAKER_05 22:12

Pergamon.

SPEAKER_10 22:13

Oh yeah. Oh dude, look up the definition of Pergamon. Can you look it up, please, Drake, and read it to us out loud?

SPEAKER_06 22:18

It's like first of all, it's just a city in uh Turkey. Okay.

SPEAKER_10 22:23

Yeah, no big deal.

SPEAKER_06 22:25

So don't worry about that.

SPEAKER_10 22:26

Oh. What else? What's the second definition?

SPEAKER_06 22:30

Um well, let's see. Actually, I don't know what this is. This is this has a completely different mythology. This is like uh the Telephys and Heracles and I can they just call him Heracles.

SPEAKER_10 22:48

Roman era, the fame the city was famously mentioned in the book of Revelation as the location of Satan's throne.

SPEAKER_06 22:54

That's it. How do you find that?

SPEAKER_10 22:59

Google AI overview?

SPEAKER_05 23:03

Here's the thing, here's the thing, here's the thing. And I know some people are not gonna like this. They're probably not watching. If God is a tyrant, then who is Satan?

SPEAKER_06 23:18

The rebel.

SPEAKER_05 23:19

Right. So that's what they say. He's like the rebel, right? He didn't want to accept that.

SPEAKER_10 23:27

He didn't he didn't want to accept God's authority.

SPEAKER_05 23:29

Neither do I.

SPEAKER_10 23:31

Oh shit, Cameron.

SPEAKER_06 23:32

Ah, you're Satan. Sounding an awful lot like Lucifer. You're Satan. That's what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05 23:38

If Satan was walking around going, we should create a world that's best for all, and have people, you know, have what they need and make sure children aren't abused, and they'd be like, sounds a little evil to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 23:48

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_10 23:50

Okay. The part that I never looked into is the Satan is Satanism is linked with like the child sacrifice, right? So it's like obviously Satan's retarded.

Moon Claims And Remote Viewing

SPEAKER_05 23:59

Hold on, let me go back to Yahweh. Oh. Oh. Oh. No, no, no. But it's from God, so it's no good. Did you know there's no Satan as a evil guy in the Bible? They didn't even have hell. It was just Sheol, the land of the dead. Half the time when it says Satan, it's referring to somebody that God sent to go do something. Not half the time, most of the time. Like read the fucking Bible, people.

SPEAKER_06 24:27

Also, also, um, that that thing that you had said earlier about like if Satan were going around saying let's create a world that's best for all. Um, that was the vibe that I got from uh Childhood's End. But I only watched the movie, I didn't actually read the book. Um, but that was the vibe because it was it's like, oh um, we're going to uh cure all diseases and you know all the nice things, right? And then at the end in the book, or in the movie, I don't I'm sure this is the same in the book, but in the movie, at the end, they like they go through a period like 20 years where they've eradicated all diseases, um, everyone's smarter, like basically the world's like coming into utopia. There's still people who are like rebelling, um, but they're rebelling against the utopia. They're yeah, and uh and basically, basically, it's like some alien has come to Earth, they've given them this technology that you know, all this stuff, and but they won't reveal their face or what they look like or anything like that, and uh, and so people are like, show us your face, Clayton, you know, and then um after 20 years, when everyone's like, Wow, life is so much better, then he reveals himself, this alien guy. And uh, when he reveals himself, he's got like horns and a full thing. He looks like the literal devil with a space. He looks like all the depictions that you've ever seen of what the devil looks like. You know, he's got like goat feet and shit.

SPEAKER_10 26:09

No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:10

So he makes a utopia.

SPEAKER_10 26:12

Is it like a real utopia or is it like a fucked utopia? It's a fucked utopia.

SPEAKER_05 26:16

Oh yeah, isn't it? It's like kind of like I don't remember what the negative points are, but it's uh no, okay. So the negative points mind controlled or something, or mind I don't know, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_06 26:28

The negative points are there's still people who are like like fuck this, fuck you guys, and they're like trying to start like some shit or whatever. Um but also but also at the very end what he doesn't disclose to them is that he wants to take the children, and like he's he basically uh takes the children because he's he's developing the children to develop some like uh uh psy abilities, yeah. You know, like like they can do telekinesis and shit like that. Um and and then he takes those children who've developed those abilities and he goes, Alright, now I'm gonna take them to some other planet where you know they're needed, and uh fuck you guys. He just like leaves everyone else on the planet who doesn't have like you know supernatural powers. He just leaves them here and he's like, Yeah, you're fucked.

SPEAKER_10 27:27

Dude, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, uh, and and and guys, that's why we can't have a world that's best for all, because you know that could happen.

SPEAKER_05 27:35

Well, actually, if you think about it though, it can't that it that is a fucked utopia because like it wasn't the people themselves that like realized the errors of their ways and then put them together to create the utopia. It was like a a top-down, super intelligent thing, going like, I'll tell you what to do and just listen to me, and then you're mad later when he tells you something you don't like. So that obviously wouldn't work. So the idea of Satan as the rebel isn't Satan should become the god of everybody and you should follow the Satan. It's just I'm just playing the look, I'm just playing the devil's advocate here, okay? It's just the principle. If you want to take the best of it, it's just the principle that you should um not simply accept a superior being. That's it. That's it. Now when you so so if true Satan well, I don't want to say Satanism, because such a tainted word that clearly there are elements of people who do Satanism because they're like I don't know, like they want to be evil. I don't know. But they they think it is evil and they want to be evil. Yeah, exactly. They yeah, exactly. But let's just say that's like it's like any word um that can be twisted or it can have connotations, right? But like the the pure form of it, like the the kind of night not evil form of it, is just um self-responsibility. I don't accept a a a super a superior being. So if you actually truly uh accepted that, then why would you try to become the superior being over everybody? So I think that's the hidden that's the that's the uh the hidden part of looking at No, it's like the uh when people say like, oh, you you think you you you're talking about best for all, you must have some ulterior motive. Yeah. And I'm like, okay. I I hear what I hear that, but if I'm truly saying what's best for all, then it wouldn't include trying to dominate everybody. So and and then it's like, well, you can't be the one that does that, but I believe in the one who already does it.

SPEAKER_06 29:40

So Because I think I think what they're saying is that you're just using that because it sounds nice, and you think I'm uh dumb enough to go along with that and you're just gonna take advantage of me by saying something that sounds nice.

SPEAKER_05 29:59

Literally, it's never worked though. Literally, never ever has anyone the first time I talked about Best for All been like, oh, sure, like very naively, like, I'll go along with so you can become the god of everybody. They're always like that won't work. Right. So if I wanted to be deceptive, I wouldn't talk about that. Yeah. I'm like, I agree. And and then also, okay, so if I was if I wasn't trying to be deceptive and trying to do all that stuff, what would I talk about?

SPEAKER_10 30:30

I mean, hey, let's if you weren't trying to be deceptive and you wanted it to happen.

SPEAKER_05 30:37

If you wanted a world that was best for all and you weren't trying to be deceptive over and over and over and over. Right. So no matter what, whether you're being deceptive or not, like if you were truly trying to be deceptive, you would just go along with whatever they believed could be possible, which wouldn't be a world that's best for all, which would be some level of hierarchy, and you would just make that sound good.

SPEAKER_06 30:58

I I think what they're basically saying when they reject what's best for all, is there it's an admission that they're not too bright, that's all.

SPEAKER_07 31:10

Yeah, like but I mean like an admission of like, hey, you you know how sometimes people will have like no soliciting signs on their door because they know as soon as you knock on their door, they're buying whatever it is you're selling. You know, so they they gotta put up barriers, they gotta put up like a wall of like no please, please, please, please go away. Just my wife is already upset with me, like she knows in my wallet, you know.

SPEAKER_06 31:41

Um, I think that's that's basically what they're saying, is they're like, listen, I have poor impulse control, and you're saying something that sounds very nice, and I will just go along with whatever you say. Please help me.

SPEAKER_05 31:57

Isn't a no-soliciting sign a form of soliciting?

SPEAKER_10 32:02

Uh yeah. Like you're telling other people something.

SPEAKER_05 32:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 32:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:08

Well, yes. It's like a magical spell, you know? Like, oh, I put the seal of this in on my door, you know, the temple or whatever to keep out evil spirits. I'm like, that doesn't work on me.

SPEAKER_10 32:21

Dude, I saw this sign the other day. It was a political sign in the yard, and yes, it was in Minneapolis, and it uh it said, democracy dies in silence. And I saw that. And I was like, You can read the words. So on one hand, I get their intention is probably like, you gotta speak out. So democracy doesn't die in silence. But in reality, what is the message that's being impulsed? Democracy is dying in silence, accept it. Yeah. It's funny.

SPEAKER_05 32:55

It's it's like uh I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_10 32:58

If you if you kind of reverse the intention of it, if if you just look at the fucking words, it's it's literally just saying democracy dies in silence. It's like a statement about reality. Like something dies.

SPEAKER_05 33:09

Like people die in car crashes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:12

But it's like literally trying to like command it into yeah, there's so much of it when you start to see it. It's really it's like those signs on the freeway with those injury lawyers, and they'll be like injured in a car wreck. Well, and then for them, they're trying to, you know, subconsciously like every time I see those things, I gotta pick up my cut.

SPEAKER_10 33:30

Every time I do that, I'm like, I have to look out the left window and then the left window to the right window.

Apollo Apophis And Name Magic

SPEAKER_06 33:35

You know, it's and then do the do it pray the rosary. Uh on the way to the airport, I was on the way to the airport to pick up Mitchell, and on the way there, there's a massive sign that was like um died on a boat crash. No, it was something like like big truck lawyers or something like that, and uh, and I couldn't I couldn't determine whether it was like uh they're going to represent you if you got into a wreck with a big truck, or if it was a lawyer for the big trucks, because it was right over a massive yard for big trucks, like semi-trucks and like uh garbage trucks. Like there was a massive yard of just trucks, and the sign was literally right over it. I'm like, are they advertising to the truck drivers or are they trying to psych them out like you're gonna get so fucked if you if you get into a wreck? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 34:33

Maybe it was some kind of transformer. So he's like a lawyer that he goes into court and like he transforms, he's like a truck.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

It's Optimus Prime. That's it.

SPEAKER_10 34:45

You guys, holy shit. I just realized they were doing predictive programming with Transformers. You know these Optimus fucking robots, guys. It's only a matter of time. Do you see the new Tesla uh semitruck? Apparently, it can go 500 miles with a full load. I was like 500 miles an hour. That's crazy. Dude, it's only a matter of time. They're gonna morph the fucking cars and the robots.

SPEAKER_05 35:12

Holy shit. So yeah. So I was gonna talk, say back to Epstein.

SPEAKER_06 35:17

I was about to say back to Palantir, but okay.

SPEAKER_05 35:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 35:20

Well, hey, Peter Teal isn't it?

SPEAKER_06 35:23

Let's start with Epstein. That's more entertaining. I wanna know, yeah. I'm I wanna I wanna know. Okay, so so basically this alien disclosure thing, right? The all the UFO stuff seems like a distraction from the Epstein stuff, doesn't it? It's like if you're just looking on the surface, doesn't it seem like, oh, you know, the Epstein list, whatever, they don't want to release all this stuff, now they're just throwing out UFOs, and you you look at the comments, and all the comments are like, we don't care about UFOs, we want the Epstein list, like, you know, do your fucking jobs, guys. Anyway, so why is it that for decades, you know, it seems like our government's been obsessed with UFOs, but not saying too much about it, you know? Um, and at the same time, it seems like there's definitely like some occult stuff happening, you know, throughout the elite, all over. And it seems like like, well, okay, you either believe that the people are like really into like child sacrifice and all that stuff, or you believe that they're I don't know, the government's trying to go to the moon, maybe I don't why did they do that on April 1st? Why I don't understand, right?

SPEAKER_10 36:45

But but it seems like is there no good footage from the entire moon launch thing?

SPEAKER_06 36:51

Yeah, like it seems like these are things that are kind of like uh opposite ends, they they just are unrelated, you know? Um, it seems like if you look at what happens with the elite, what they're interested in, it's mostly like occult stuff, Illuminati type stuff, child sacrifice type stuff. They're kind of into paranormal stuff, and then there's like this UFO thing that's kind of like just weird, maybe just crack plot conspiracy theorists. Um, but then we're like also trying to go to the moon, so it just seems like it's kind of random. But what if all those things were actually connected? What if all those things actually have a thread where there is a connection between the occult and the space stuff and uh the child sacrifice type stuff, like Epstein stuff? And it's more than just that, it's more than just what we're given on the surface. In fact, what Giorgiani says anytime somebody brings up, like, oh, but do you think Epstein did that stuff to those kids? You know, like like was he actually trafficking minors? He's like, Yeah, but that's not the point. Like that's like that's the salacious headline to get you to ignore everything else about the case.

SPEAKER_05 38:09

Oh shit. The Epstein story itself is the distraction because of the way it's presented and the way you it's narrowing your focus on to like one particular area.

SPEAKER_06 38:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:19

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_06 38:20

Mary, Mary says, didn't a few other countries already go to the moon?

SPEAKER_05 38:26

Like the country? Apparently they just packed up and like went to the moon.

SPEAKER_10 38:31

Get me get me off this fucking space rock.

SPEAKER_07 38:34

Apparently, we also went to the moon.

SPEAKER_10 38:36

Apparently, and then they lost all the footage. All the footage. Oh, sorry. They lost all the technology.

SPEAKER_05 38:41

I'll tell you what Alex Jones said. He said we did go to the moon, but the footage you saw was fake.

SPEAKER_06 38:46

Right. That is what Alex Jones said.

SPEAKER_05 38:50

So why would that be? I I think that's maybe as true. I mean, I don't know because I don't know. Wasn't involved. I wasn't there. Well go look into what the remote viewers saw on the moon. Ooh, what'd they see? I won't tell you, but um But if you watch my four-hour live stream, you might see. If you'd watched 14 hours of Jason Giorgiani interviews like I did.

SPEAKER_06 39:12

I hate I hate when Cam goes on long drives. I absolutely fucking hate it. But check this out, hold on.

SPEAKER_05 39:17

But check this out.

SPEAKER_06 39:19

I get hours, like 10 hours of podcasts. I'm like, I'm never gonna fucking catch up to this.

SPEAKER_05 39:24

Yeah, you know how you you you know, Drake or uh Mitch, how you're like, how do people not know what Palantir is?

SPEAKER_10 39:31

Cameron's like, how do people not know what the remote viewer saw on the moon?

SPEAKER_05 39:36

They I was watching I was watching this one video, and they were saying that the moon is an artificial construct. And it's got some kind of technology in it that controls the reincarnation cycle. So that's weird. It's sounds crazy.

SPEAKER_10 39:52

I mean, it also sounds kind of weird, the classic fucking story. Like some what some asteroid. What is the mainstream story? Yeah, yeah. A chunk of the earth broke off. Chunk of the earth, because it looks like the earth and it turned out.

SPEAKER_06 40:10

It turned into a sp a perfect sphere.

SPEAKER_10 40:12

Perfect sphere. Yes. That then also, yeah, goes around perfectly, and okay. Yeah. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_06 40:18

That's the story. That's the name.

SPEAKER_05 40:21

Also, there's it's bigger than like any other moon on any other planet relative to the size of Earth.

SPEAKER_06 40:25

Yeah. Also, there's not like random debris floating around it like on every other planet.

SPEAKER_05 40:31

Yeah, yeah. And um it's 400 times smaller than the sun, but 400 times the diameter so that it for perfectly eclipses it. Yeah. And that happens apparently on no other than any other planet. Cameron, this is God. God did it. Right. Sure. So he can do all that, but uh he can't stop you with a child dying of cancer or being abused. Yes, Cameron. But he helped me find my wallet last week when I prayed.

SPEAKER_10 41:02

My grandpa was Emmy said my grandpa was in the room when Apollo 11 happened. Who crazy my grandma? What? What do you mean in the room, Emmy? Like in the NASA room? Like in the living room.

SPEAKER_05 41:11

Everybody was in a room when it happened.

SPEAKER_06 41:16

I was in the room when I had to be. I was in the room when I already happened.

SPEAKER_05 41:26

I was in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_10 41:31

Oh my gosh. Emmy, is your grandma still alive? You gotta interrogate her. Yeah, you gotta get it. I think your grandparents are part of the fucking sign-up.

SPEAKER_05 41:40

Well, the thing is, um, whether I mean I I have no problem saying that we went to the moon. But that but why would the government tell you what actually happened? And like, why are they so interested in doing it? Why is it called Apollo? Like, why? Oh who's Apollo, Mitch? Who's Apollo? Some Greek god. Was he the messenger? Was he the version of Hermes?

SPEAKER_07 42:02

No.

SPEAKER_05 42:03

Emmy said her grandpa has two craters named after him. Dude, Amy, you gotta find out, man. You get I bet there's some more to this story.

SPEAKER_06 42:10

Get some disclosure from your grandpa.

SPEAKER_05 42:12

What does Apollo mean, guys? Why did she say LOL? She died two years ago. LOL. Emmy! She's blocking her glass, Emmy. What? No, but think about it. Like, why is it called Apollo? Like, why did they name it after a Greek god? Why? Oh, it means destroyer. Apollo was like the twin brother of uh Athena, I think. Okay, but but hold on, but check this out. He's the most worshipped god in the ancient world. But check this out. Check this out That temple on Epstein Island is a temple to Poseidon. So he's into the Greek god, all that kind of stuff. NASA's into it. Alright. We saw I was talking last on the live stream last night. There's this asteroid that's supposed to come by the Earth in 2029. And it's really big, and it's supposed to be like the closest an asteroid's come for like thousands of years. Like we'll be able to see it with our eyes, apparently. You know, maybe it's a dot, I don't know, but it's gonna come closer than some satellites. Like the it's closer enough that like it's like closer than the average satellite, or I don't know. It's gonna be come it's gonna come very close. For a long time they were worried that it might hit the earth, but now it's close enough that they can predict predict its trajectory. Guess what they named it? Uh Jellybean 27A? Yes, big rock? No, they named it Apophis, the god of chaos and destruction. Why?

SPEAKER_06 43:45

Why would you oh oh Mitch Mitch Mitchell Mitchell, question for you. Um what does Thanos mean?

SPEAKER_10 43:57

I my guess would be like destruction.

SPEAKER_06 44:00

Uh what do you what do you think of when I say Thanos?

SPEAKER_10 44:04

Um I think of the Marvel character with the fucking rings, and he wants to kill all the superheroes. Therefore he's evil. Okay. Because I identify with superheroes. Okay, see I am C Cam?

SPEAKER_06 44:16

You see my you see my my uh what is it? Thesis?

SPEAKER_10 44:22

I've heard of Thanatos as well. Is that a term? Yeah. Is Thanatos like the opposite of Thanos? No. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 44:30

It's it's basically the same word.

SPEAKER_10 44:32

Oh well. Oh, then I know exactly what it means.

SPEAKER_06 44:36

No, what does it mean?

SPEAKER_10 44:37

No, no, I don't know what it means.

SPEAKER_06 44:39

What does it mean? It's the Greek personification of peaceful death.

SPEAKER_10 44:46

Oh, that would be it. Oh, oh shit. This might get us off YouTube. Do it. Guys, I have a startup company idea for uh my Canadians out there.

SPEAKER_05 44:55

Oh god.

SPEAKER_10 45:01

We just need to raise some funding. Guys have a great brand name for it. It's called Thanos.

SPEAKER_05 45:08

Just kidding, guys. That stuff shouldn't be. But but what what's the word euthanasia? Than.

SPEAKER_10 45:16

Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, okay. This is this kind of I've I've thought about this twice now, guys. Apollo. According to study.com, which is looks legit, it says Apollo is one of the most worshipped gods in the ancient world. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm getting mixed, I'm getting mixed names. It says either the name means destroyer or the sun. So I I gotta Yeah, he's the god of the sun.

SPEAKER_05 45:46

He's the one who has the chariot that pulls the sun up every day.

SPEAKER_09 45:50

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 45:50

Oh, so that's how I feel with you guys. I went to an elite Jesuit school where we actually learned mythology. It was like a whole literally did a school.

SPEAKER_07 46:00

I watched Hercules and Latin. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_10 46:03

So I remember that scene in Hercules where he's pulling the chariot, and I think there's like a horse. That's how I feel on the podcast. And Cameron is one of the horses, and Drake is the other horse, and I'm over here holding on for my life. Yes. That's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_06 46:17

You gotta Life with a Capital L.

SPEAKER_10 46:19

You know, I I I also watched Hercules, and what I learned from it Did you get traumatized from that one scene where he's in the underworld and it looks creepy?

SPEAKER_06 46:29

No, I did not.

SPEAKER_10 46:31

Oh.

SPEAKER_06 46:31

I did not. Because I was too busy singing. It was too much fun.

SPEAKER_09 46:35

Yeah. Singing. What are we the was it a musical?

SPEAKER_05 46:39

What is it a musical?

SPEAKER_10 46:41

You know the Disney movie with the green underworld? Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean singing? There were songs throughout my entire thing. What are you talking about? There wasn't a song during that part.

SPEAKER_07 46:52

It was like that's what Drake was singing to counter the negative thoughts.

SPEAKER_10 47:02

Exactly. That was like literally the beginning of my childhood OCD. It was like the that and watching signs by probably fucking Steven Spielberg. Remember that scene in the screen? Steven Spielberg. Oh, it's Ridley Scott.

SPEAKER_05 47:19

It's an M.n. Shyamalan.

SPEAKER_07 47:25

Fuck M.

SPEAKER_05 47:26

Night Shamalan. Do you know who Pollantier is?

SPEAKER_10 47:30

Yeah, you're the one who didn't even know the founder was Peter Teal.

SPEAKER_05 47:34

No, I knew that.

SPEAKER_07 47:37

It was just like Polly. Don't talk it. That's actually true. Okay, all right, all right.

SPEAKER_05 47:48

Drake, give it up. Drake, can you go down and turn down your volume stuff or something? You have to. It's like peaking so loud. So the next time you sing Hercules, we can enjoy it.

Childhood Fear And Horror Media

SPEAKER_10 47:57

It's like distorting it. I don't know why. Maybe it's like the auto-leveling. Seriously. I'm just realizing probably those movies we saw when we just a scary scene. There you go. That was the beginning of my childhood OCD. Because I was like, oh fuck, that's scary. And then it's like an imprint. And then you're like trying to cope with it. And then you forget, you know, after 10 minutes, you're like, oh, I didn't I wasn't even scared. But you're walking around with a glitch in your mind.

SPEAKER_05 48:21

So that information's on constantly like coming back up like in a very similar way.

SPEAKER_10 48:25

And then of course I'm scared of fucking death and go into the underworld. Right. Why? Because Hercules. Dude, I'm just going to show you the fucking picture. Hercules underworld.

SPEAKER_06 48:36

Cam, Cam, avert your eyes. If you guys haven't. Be prepared. Mitch is going to show us some very graphic stuff right now. Go ahead, Mitch. I'm trying to find it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, this one. This one. Show us your childhood trauma. This one. Dude. Ladies, you may want to close your eyes for this one. It's uh it's pretty intense. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mitchell. We're waiting.

SPEAKER_09 49:03

I'm trying to share my fucking screen. Give me a second.

SPEAKER_06 49:06

We're holding space for you. Oh. Whoa, no.

SPEAKER_10 49:15

It looks like he's drained. Yeah, he does. Yeah. So I'm like, wow. I'm like Hercules. Yeah, I'm Hercules. And then, you know, you're like, shit. Yeah. That was it. But it was like scary music.

SPEAKER_06 49:27

The movie House scared the shit out of her when she was young. I don't know. House? I don't know what House was. I don't know that movie.

SPEAKER_10 49:32

Like the show with the Doctor?

SPEAKER_06 49:34

No. No. I don't think that's the movie.

SPEAKER_07 49:38

Is it the movie about the House? Oh, did you guys watch The Grudge?

SPEAKER_06 49:42

Yeah, I saw that one.

SPEAKER_10 49:44

Did you watch that movie The Cabin in the Woods? No, no.

SPEAKER_05 49:48

No, after I watched It with Pennywise, and then I was like, this is fucked. Dude, that movie, I just remember that movie Cabin in the Woods was crazy. Like at the end of it, they like go into another dimension. It was so crazy.

SPEAKER_06 49:59

I've definitely never seen this movie.

SPEAKER_10 50:00

Yeah, they started going from like just ghosts like gonna kill you, to then they had to get more into like paranormal weird shit.

SPEAKER_05 50:08

Yeah, like they went literally to this other dimension and like all these demons. It was so weird, man. Jeepers Creeper, yeah, that guy with the truck. That was weird too, man.

SPEAKER_10 50:17

Guys, like think about it. Why does Hollywood I wonder the budget of these average movies, like Jeepers Creepers, Cabin in the Woods, whatever. The budget. How much money is spent on that? And we can't figure out how to feed every kid on planet Earth? We can figure it out. No one cares.

Sadism Logic And Moral Contradictions

SPEAKER_05 50:36

They'd rather get stimulated. No, some people want to have power. Um I was reading that uh so I started reading that Prometheus and Atlas book by John Johnny, and uh there's this one chapter where he's talking about Marquis de Sad. You guys have heard of sadism? And the way he explains What's sadism? Well, let's look it up. You want to pull it up?

SPEAKER_10 50:59

What is sadism? Sadism is the tendency to derive pleasure, gratification, or excitement from influencing physical or mental pain, suffering, or humiliation on others. It exists on a spectrum from severe sexual violence to everyday sadism. Subclinical, cruel behaviors in daily life such as bullying, trolling, or enjoying others' failures.

SPEAKER_05 51:24

So sadism is basically you're just getting energy from being spiteful, basically. Causing pain in others, right? Yeah. And this guy developed like a whole philosophy of it. And Giorgiani explains how it came from him taking Cartesian philosophy, which creates like a mind-body dualism, which means there's really no connection between the mental mind aspect and physical reality. Like they're really ph fundamentally separate. This was the whole problem that Descartes basically created in philosophy. And so he was explaining how basically he didn't believe in God, but he saw nature as like purely mechan mechanistic, and that he made this argument that you know, if you look at nature, right, there's like um disasters in nature where animals, people die, and so forth, right? So he said if if causing pain and suffering to others was truly against the law of nature, like a natural law, it wouldn't happen. Like if if if if if nature is like purely mechanical um and deterministic, then uh it couldn't do something against its own nature. So therefore cruelty and destruction and pain is fine within the context of the laws of nature. And he was explaining how he would get the most energy within himself. Like, you know, you could have like a nice meal, do something fun, that gives you a certain level of experience of energy, but uh causing pain gives you the most, it's like the most ecstatic experience, apparently, is what he's saying, right? And so and also because the mind and the physical are separate and the mind the physical is totally deterministic, nothing you can do or experience within yourself has any effect whatsoever by to on the natural world. So um basically it's like a justification for totally being a completely enclosed ego that just seeks its own pleasure no matter what. Right. And then he like developed like a science of basically like torture to get the most like excitement. Just I mean, as you read the definition, that's where the word sadism comes from, right? And um yeah, it's pretty interesting. And then it was cool though, because Giorgiani points out the obvious contradiction because you also don't want to accept that you're like literally you have no free will, like you have no effect in reality. So then he had to develop this idea that you still have to seek to understand the laws of nature and act within in harmony with them. And he and it's kind of like what people say, like God has a plan, so you have to understand the plan, you have to act in accordance with it. But at the same time, you believe nothing you do can go against God's plan, anyways. So it's like this very obvious contradiction where you start from the premise that God is totally in control, but then you get to the point where you realize, but that means I have literally no free will. Well, I still have free will, and I have to understand God's plan and I have to act in accordance with it. But that defeats the whole premise you started with that everything is done by the will of God, right? So he was just showing how they develop these philosophies, but because you can't rationally like accept that, you have to then kind of like placate yourself like, well, but I do have free will still, and you know, it's there's a way around it.

SPEAKER_10 54:40

Just as you're explaining this, Cameron, I'm realizing how so many people nowadays do not even understand the basics of rational thinking and logic. Like even the word premise and making an argument where like I mean, you were taught this at some point in your education. I remember going through philosophy class in high school and in university and all that, but nowadays it is people are so dumbed down they don't even have that as their vocabulary, so they can't even like process a rational argument. I mean, you can you just have to get you know, we have to get better at explaining things like cause and effect in a way that they can comprehend. But I'm just seeing this, like it's so mind-boggling how effective the dumbing down of the school system has been, and then you have social media and you have AI on top of it, so people outsource their thinking, and they don't even have the basic components of logic.

SPEAKER_05 55:42

Did you see that post I made about you know something about the Antichrist? Yeah, the best way not to be trapped by it is just don't believe in God, like just do as best for all always.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

And then people react to it.

SPEAKER_05 55:54

Well, yeah, and then this woman was like doing this whole story about how she lived under communism and all this stuff, and she wasn't allowed to believe in God, but now she does, and you can't deny people's experience of God, and that's why best for all isn't best, because I said you don't have to believe in God. So but it was funny because at first I was just like looking at her comment and everything, and then I realized after the second comment she made, it's literally just Chat GPT. Yeah, you can see it, you can see it in the pattern of the writer. It has the um image, is what's but also it'll be like that's not this, that's it's that, yeah. It'll be like that's not this, that's not carrying, that's you know, hidden deception, or I don't know, whatever. Like, yeah, you're like that's the only reason you feel confident arguing with me is because you're just having an AI. And I just asked her, like, are you having chat? Are you like using Chat GPT to respond to me? I was like, I don't want to talk to a robot. Like, talk, you talk to me, or give me a call. Like, I don't know, we don't have to argue right here, but damn, like, what's the point? I'm just arguing with robots now. Like, this is the problem, guys. Like, we're gonna eventually have to argue with fucking robots.

SPEAKER_06 56:58

Dude, what was that thing that you were telling me about? Like, uh, who is the guy? Uh Eric Weinstein and Sam Harris. Right?

SPEAKER_05 57:08

Oh, yeah, maybe we should play that. I I sent it to you guys. Or no, I didn't. I did not. I have not seen this.

SPEAKER_06 57:14

You keep fucking saying that you like it. Let's see it. But you lie.

SPEAKER_10 57:18

So I've never looked into Sam Harris, but I've seen He's gay. Yeah, I've got the bag. I get that sense from him.

SPEAKER_06 57:27

Yeah. And I don't mean like that he's homosexual.

SPEAKER_10 57:30

Yeah, he's just like total loser. He's a philosopher. Self-illusioner. What stage is he at in the eight stages? Self-deceiver? Self-deceiver. He's definitely somewhere up there. Yeah. Not down there.

unknown 57:44

Sam.

SPEAKER_10 57:45

Yeah, like Chantel said, persuading organic robots is challenging enough. Right. Yeah, you talk to some of these people now, you can tell they have totally abdicated their responsibility to Chat GPT.

SPEAKER_05 57:56

So if we can learn through repetition, practice, and so forth, and letting go of your fears and being certain about what you're here to do, if you can learn to speak to the life within that person, you can help. You can you can you know it's like when you're when you're selling somebody and you have somebody who's kind of like on board with you, and then you have somebody who's not, and they're a couple, let's say, but like you can have the other person help you, like persuade the person, right?

SPEAKER_10 58:20

So it's like yeah, it's such a key point speaking to the life in the person.

SPEAKER_06 58:24

Yeah, inside you there are two wolves.

SPEAKER_10 58:27

You have to co-op one the one that's alive and the one that is addicted to chat GPT.

AI As Authority And Cognitive Surrender

SPEAKER_05 58:32

Yeah, inside every person there's two wolves, they're both retarded.

unknown 58:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:37

All right, listen to this. You'll love this, Mitch, dude. I'm not I'm gonna cover up the Sam Harris version, so you can see.

SPEAKER_09 58:43

Okay, okay, let's see.

SPEAKER_00 58:44

It's very disconcerting not to know whether someone has lost their mind, right? Like I because when you look at someone like Brett speak, he just seems to to be the picture of reasonableness, right? I mean, he's not getting blown around by his emotional life, or certainly not in any obvious way when he's certainly not on a podcast with uh Rogan. And yet the things he says are equivalently crazy. And and the certitude with which he says them it's totally indefensible. You take his recent appearance on Rogan and you stick his claims into any LLM, and what you get is just a litany of obvious errors. Um and I did that for Joe. I sent him a link to my you know Chat GPT session. Like, Joe, just just here's a sanity check. Listen to what the the robots say about what Brett was was uh giving you on this most recent podcast. Um he didn't seem to want to do that. So uh he's still convinced about that part.

SPEAKER_10 59:47

Bag. Look, look what the robots say. Even it's so funny because he's projecting like, oh, he's speaking with certitude and all this, but he's insane.

SPEAKER_06 59:59

But okay, but the crazy thing is, he's what he's basically saying is that you can't listen to Brett Weinstein, even though he sounds very reasonable and you know it makes sense what he's saying. You can't actually listen to that. You got the take what he's saying and put it into ChatGPT and let ChatGPT tell you what to think about it. And then if ChatGPT doesn't agree, then you should agree with ChatGPT. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_09 1:00:24

Dude.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:26

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We we shared on a previous podcast. Let me see if I can just pull it up. Let's see how quickly I can pull up this thing. Oh check out how fast I am, Mitchell. Check out how fast I am. Mitchell, I'm the fastest. Look at this. Right. I I found exactly what I was looking for. Uh Wharton's latest latest study, uh, latest AI study points to a hard truth. AI writes, humans review, model is breaking down. And let me just scroll down to the hot stuff here. When you use it enough, something happens that they call cognitive surrender.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:06

Ding, ding, ding, ding.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:07

AI gives an answer, you stop really questioning it, and your brain starts treating that output as your own conclusion. It does not feel outsourced, it feels self-generated. Sam Harris, you are a fucking idiot. Okay, that's all. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:25

It's like um you think the other person's stupid. So they're you're like, hey, look at my chat, look what ChatGPT said. Because you know when they see it's an AI, they'll have cognitive surrender and they'll just kind of be like, okay, yeah, I guess I guess you're right, you know. And I'm like, but I would rather just have a conversation with the person. You know, and so like Joe already talked to Brett Brett Weinstein for like five hours. Why do I need to have AI summarized for me all the problems with what I said? Like, why don't you just ask me on that point right there? Like he's just jealous that uh Brett Weinstein is getting through in in some capacity, right? About some particular thing, right? But Sam Harris was the guy who said he wouldn't have a problem if they found dead bodies in uh what's his name? Uh uh Hunter Biden's basement. Right? He was like because he really didn't want Trump to win. Because they were talking about the Hunter Biden laptop.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:23

Didn't he get pop didn't Sam Harris get popular because he was like all about meditation or something? And like stilling the mind?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:28

I think probably so. He's an atheist, but he also um he has a book called uh shoot, I can't remember what it's called, but it's basically saying that like yourself is an illusion. Free will. Free will is an illusion. Right? No.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:44

Joe Rogan, free will is an illusion, but take off that part Weinstein podcast.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:49

No, yeah, Katie, we did not talk about Joe Rogan and the psychedelics yet, but oh yeah, Trump is trying to fast track um FDA approval of psychedelic treatments.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:58

Okay, so that that's the story there. To me, the story is Joe Rogan sends a little study to uh Trump, and Trump goes, Do you want FDA approval? We could do this right now. Let's do it, baby.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:11

He also knews he also probably knows he's losing favor with the Joe Rogan types because he's they've been saying that.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:18

They're like, ah, why did I vote for this guy? I thought we weren't gonna do any wars.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:22

I never said we were not gonna do any wars. I said we would do the wars fast, we would do them quick, we would strike like a hammer, and we will establish peace in the Middle East. I never said any of those things either, but I'm just saying them now.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:40

I'm saying what I didn't say.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:43

Um I'm saying what I would have said. Okay, alright. I've got some stuff for you. If you don't have anything, I've got things. I know Mitchell has a a plan.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:51

Uh hang on. I got I got one for you here. Okay. Go ahead, Mitchell. You know earlier we were talking about statements?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:59

This right here. Oh. I'll just show you this one.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:04

No new wars? No, new wars.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:09

Well, actually, though, it's not a new war. He said we've been fighting this war since 46 or 48 or something. That's right. So it's like all rhetoric, right? So we're not starting a new war, we're finishing a really old, long, ongoing war. Yeah. That's it. That's it. No refund.

Alex Jones Style IQ Test Bit

SPEAKER_06 1:04:27

Gotcha. All right, here you go. This is for you, Cameron and Mitchell.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:34

Thanks, Drake. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:37

Do you do IQ test here? Yep. That's what we do. Okay, because I think I need one. Okay, yeah, we can do that. Uh why do you need one? Well, I've had some people lately telling me I have a low IQ. Ooh, shots fire. Gosh.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:53

Who's been telling you that?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:55

Well, some people online have been telling me that, like the president, and even my dogs are looking at me a little bit condescendingly now.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:02

Well, we'll find out. So, with this IQ test, I'll just ask you a series of simple, really common sense questions, and you just give me your best answer.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:11

I'm actually kind of a little bit nervous right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:14

Oh, yeah, you should be, because if you turn out to be what some would call a low IQ nut job, then you're pretty much a lost cause. Well, that doesn't sound good. All right, first question. Which word doesn't belong? Apple, banana, carrot, orange. Is it carrot? Very good, because it's not a fruit and all. It's clever. Next question. Who would be considered more of a traitor to their country? Person A, who receives$230 million from a foreign lobby, or person B who receives zero dollars from a foreign lobby? Lobby?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

Clearly a person A.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:58

Wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

Come on, that's gotta be correct.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

Next. Hypothetical question. If a country has a major shipping waterway that you want to have open, and it's currently open, but they'll close it if you go to war, what would be a smart way to ensure that waterway stays open? You don't go to war with them. No, not even close. I mean, common sense would say go to war with that country and stay at war with that country as a way of putting pressure on them to reopen it after they've closed it because you went to war with them. Are you playing with a full deck? I don't play cards, but thanks for asking. Oh, and this is a good one. If you had the desire to take down an international pedophile ring, what would be the best way to follow through on that desire?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:44

Well, you launch a full investigation using every means necessary, and then you prosecute those bastards the fullest and stone of the law.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

Wrong. No. You would launch an effort to prevent any investigations and prosecutions.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:57

That can't be right.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:58

Well, announce prevention is worth a pound of cure. These questions are kind of weird. Oh, I assure you these are standardized IQ test questions, sir. Next question. Here's a scenario. You got a person, they work for America and America only. What country does that person work for? America? That's incorrect. They work for Iran. Next question. Who's more beautiful as a woman? France's First Lady, or maybe man, or Candace Owens. Candace Owens? No. Have you seen France's First Lady? I would totally do her. If she had an OnlyFans, I would subscribe any reasonable man would. Okay, how would you describe what America First means?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:46

Putting America's interests first above any other foreign nation.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

No, you're actually describing anti-Semitism. Yuck. Okay, last question. What year did we first land on the moon? We've never been to the moon. No, we've been to the moon. We go all the time. Well, your test is complete. I've I've never seen a score like this before. What'd I get? You got an IQ of 65. Is that high? No, no. That's that's a very low IQ.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:17

My life is literally ruined. He was right. Who was right? Just don't worry about that now. My big question is, what am I gonna do with my life now that I've learned that I'm so stupid?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:29

Well, just remember, you're also a nut job. But yeah, you're you you're pretty screwed. Really, the only option I can give low IQ people such as yourself is to like go off and open a Somali daycare.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:43

I am completely devastated.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:48

Isn't it weird that Alex Jones can't act? It is gonna weird.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:56

Almost I was not surprised. You'd expect more, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:03

Well, if you want to prevent your own low IQ, we can give you a reading assessment. Just DM me.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:11

Which other solution for you, Alex?

SPEAKER_09 1:09:14

For anyone watching.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:16

That's great. Funny. Okay, so here's what's going on, Mitch. Here's the real deal. Right? I'm ready. So what's happening with these people is they are Which which people? Epstein Island? Yeah, all the people. Okay.

Egypt Ritual Programming To Modern Media

SPEAKER_10 1:09:33

Hey, does this have okay? Because I've been seeing this thing about these like 10 or 11 nuclear physicists who've been dying. Is this related?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:41

We'll get to that. Okay. Okay. Um, okay, so uh the elite. Remember, remember when we went over the Chinaman and uh Egypt, the Egyptian mythology?

SPEAKER_10 1:09:55

Oh, how could I forget?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:56

And he was like, you know, if you just read the story, it doesn't really make sense. But if you see it as a training manual for how to create a psychopath, basically, then uh then this this is actually a great manual that has been used for many years, you know, throughout different cultures for their you know ability to control the elite, right? However, man, ooh Mitch, I don't know if you heard Cam going in on this on the cruise, but he brought up a really good point. Or maybe it wasn't on the cruise, maybe it was when you got back.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:39

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:40

Anyway, at some point, at some point, Cam made this really cool connection. Check this out. All right, so what did we learn about the Egyptians, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:10:49

What did they do to the to the pharaohs or the pharaohs that were going to put them through a ritual where they fucked them up and then basically created a multiple personality right?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:02

So they they introduced like some sounds or some sense or some like imagery, yeah, and some drugs. Uh they will like drown the person, uh, you know, bring them like close to death, they'll cut them, they'll uh give them some sort of sexual experience, all of this stuff, right, to create some sort of trauma so that introduces a certain personality that they can then predict what that personality will do. They can control that personality to a certain extent, right? And and then when that maybe it's a child and then they become the pharaoh or whatever, when they become the actual pharaoh and they want to make a decision, the priests who are behind the pharaoh, they want the pharaoh to choose something um that will uh you know go in in line with what they have planned, then they know, oh, I've got to introduce this scent, or I've got to introduce this sexual, you know, sort of No, no, they they just do a ritual that symbolically activates that personality. Okay, there you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:06

That that's like the partic the particular rituals they would do at certain times would activate that. Like uh Easter time, Christmas time kind of vibe, or right, totally. Like like some kind of ritual, and it might be something they do as like a private ceremony, you know, but it could also just be like, you know, it's the f this festival, but all the symbolic symbology or symbolism within it um were pre-programmed into the pharaoh as like that activates that personality to come forward to perform a certain function because the pharaoh was chosen because they have a certain resonance, and usually it's a genetic line, but they have a certain resonance that people follow. So I think a good example of this is like Britney Spears, where you know, like if you look at how messed up she is, like in her personal life, it's because she's been really heavily traumatized and drugged a lot and so forth. But when it's like time, it's like all right, Brittany, it's time, showtime. Like she gets out there and everyone's like in awe, captivated by her ability to dance and sing and perform, which makes a lot of money. So you can imagine that's just she has one function, which is that, right? But the pharaoh could have multiple functions that he would do, but he has that resonance that people follow like a celebrity. So like when they see the pharaoh, they're just like, oh, my pharaoh, or you know, my king, my whatever. They go into like a resonance of submission, and then the pharaoh can command him to increase the harvest or you know, like build a temple or whatever the thing is. Yeah, makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:35

Okay, now here's where it gets interesting, right? Um what does everyone experience like during holidays?

SPEAKER_10 1:13:52

Yeah, it's the the zeitgeist, the the spirit of the times.

Disney Symbols And PR Priest Class

SPEAKER_06 1:13:57

It's like you're you're being impulsed actually. Like when you watched Hercules, you got traumatized a little bit, right? Think about how many how many Disney movies actually, actually, Giselle sent me one time um how many. There was a crazy amount of Disney movies that they kill off the parents, right? Yeah, and and who are these movies targeting? Children. Yes, the children. Here, let's see. Giselle said, Oh, Disney killed parents in 22 films, and it's not a coincidence. Here we go. Let me share this real quick.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:38

They're either killed or in some cases they're just non-existent, or they're separated from the kid.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:44

Disney killed parents in 22 films, not a coincidence. Psychologists say it's a deliberate script. No shit. Uh, but the reason's darker than anything. It kind of looks like um what's that girl? From Harry Potter. Uh Bambi, Lion King, Finding Nemo, Frozen, Cinderella, Tarzan, Moana, Lilo and Stitch.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:03

It's like the first scene in some of these movies.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:06

Rea and the Last Dragon? I don't know that one. The Little Mermaid.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:09

Oh, it said Bambi, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:11

Yeah. Um, Parent dies or disappears before the story even begins.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:17

It seems like it was.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:18

Um, you know, another thing I was thinking about was if you think about Century of the Self, right? So the pharaohs, the priests rather, that manage the Pharaoh, they are the ones who really understand the occult symbolism, like the true meaning of the symbols and the purpose of them. So like they're trained and they pass down that knowledge to each other, they're really the ones who manage the pharaoh and are directing the affairs of you know, that civilization. And so they have the understanding of what these stories actually mean and what's the purpose of them. Now, if you fast forward to um, you know, like the ninth the the the 20th century, who are the priests, right? The priests would be sort of in a certain sense, um, the people who understand public relations and marketing, right? So they know what that symbol of the parents dying really produces. You see what I'm saying? And then you have uh what's the word I'm looking for? Um whatever realm you call like focus groups and uh what do they call that? Like market research, right? Because the system is so complex that you know you don't really know at any time how people are being programmed because it's all like feeding back on itself, right? But it's like you put this information out there, people go through a certain generation, they've been programmed with certain things, and then you can do market research to see like what symbols are still resonating with people, so that you can put those in your advertisements, in your movies, and so forth, so that you're constantly keeping everybody running certain patterns because they're just trying to keep the economy running. That's really all it is. Just like what was the purpose of the pharaoh and the priests? They're just keeping that economy of that civilization running. So the priests, the pharaoh is now all the celebrities, right? All the politicians. They're like the pharaoh. And then you have the the the psychologists, the the public relations, all of that side of things is like the priests. They understand how the symbols interact with people, and then they can put those into ads, they can use those to get the certain politicians elected, and then they can even, you know, it's like Trump is very apparently very interested in the polls, right? So certain polls can be created that even influence him to think, oh, no one cares about Epstein. They actually don't. Like most people actually don't care about it. Most people actually don't care about Palantir, most people don't care about UFOs, actually. So here, they this is what people care about. They care about gas prices. Okay, so he's like, Alright, I'll talk about gas prices because that's what symbolically people care about. So if I just keep saying our gas prices are getting lower and they've gotten so lower and all that, people like still give him their allegiance or whatever, right? So I'm just seeing like how it's still happening today, obviously. But it's in a it's in a way that's so distributed it's hard to see because you don't have a pharaoh in the priest class. But that that's been like distributed over a much larger section of our you know, economy and our world and so forth.

Kompromat And Controlled Politicians

SPEAKER_06 1:18:25

Right. Right, exactly. Um, okay, so now continuing on. Continuing on, Mitchell. Right. Uh so so that is part of the reason, at least in part, why the elite like to abuse children. It's just in part, though. Right? The other part is like they're getting energy from them, you know, obviously. Um but then but then it also goes even further to like okay, if we're looking at Epstein, right? What are they actually trying to do? Why are they doing all this stuff? What's the purpose behind like the pedophile ring? Well, you could say they're pedophile ring in the book, right? You could say, well, um, it's just his blackmail on you know all these other wealthy people or whatever, right? So that he can continue to be wealthy or or use his influence. And sure, to an extent, that's definitely going on, right? But it's more than just that, it's more than just like compromise or whatever. Because um, and and this is why Giorgiani says, like, it's it's kind of like the the distraction.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:46

Hang on, hang on. There's there's a word you just said right there that this is one of those words that nobody knows what it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:53

Compromot? Compromising material. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:56

It's like black.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:57

That's a Russian word.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:58

Yeah, yeah. I like it. It's a cool word. Oh, it's it's a great word. I'm just for our for our fans, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, imagine you're at the the uh annual company meeting, right? And you have people that want to partner with you, and they're like, okay, you know, we're ready to do the deal. It's like, hold on, hold on. We need to make sure you have we have your allegiance, so they like bring in some strippers or whatever. This probably happens at Davos every fucking year, and then they get you on film, so now they have that, and then you're in the club. But don't go against them.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:32

Just strippers.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:33

Uh, probably way more fucked up shit than that. Yeah, I I I would agree.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:40

I would agree. Um okay, anyway, where was I although did you guys see Eric Swalwell?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:46

He was running for governor.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:49

Yeah. I didn't even know about this. And then I saw it was a couple, it was like we were on the cruise, it was a couple days in, and I saw this thing going around like, we have this, apparently there's a video of Eric Swalwell, and I was like, Who gives a shit about Eric Swalwell? It's so random. But I didn't know he was running for governor. And then the next day, they were like, Here's the video, and it was like going around. I was like, What the hell is this? It's so weird. It was like him with a woman like on a bed in a hotel, and he was like grabbing her and stuff, you know, but he's married. And um and then the next day I see his a statement saying he's suspending his campaign for governor. And I was like, Oh damn, I didn't realize he was running for governor. And then the next day I saw he was uh resigning from Congress. Damn. I was like, Really guy? Whoa, yeah. So you just see like how that all works, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:21:33

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See? Like, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:36

Why were they videotaping? It wasn't like a secret, it wasn't like it was like clearly like a hidden camera. It was like someone holding a phone. So it it you know, and there was that video I had sent you guys, I forget the guy's name, but he had the way he described it was it really made it click. It's like it's not like pe like these politicians, you know, have weird lives, and some of them maybe they do, but it's not just that they are are like doing these things and then you know someone happens to record them. This guy was saying in some in many cases, it's like they wanna this person has that pharaoh resonance to some degree that they want to use. They want to put that person there. So they basically make a deal with them, like, hey, come, like you said, come to this party, we're gonna do all this stuff, we're gonna film you. And maybe they don't explicitly tell you, maybe they do, maybe you realize they're doing it, I don't know. But like, you know, why would you be like, ah, sure, knowing that you could be filmed. It's because you don't care because you know you're gonna get the position if you go along and like you show that you're a part of the club, like you'll do whatever, and you know, you're also maybe enticed by it. But then then once they have that compromising material, then they're like, Cool, now we've got the compromising material. Hey, you got the job. So I just realize it's not just uh these politicians work their way up and then they're trying to find something on them, it's like they usually don't get into the position right unless they have that something compromising on them, and it's kind of like a part of the deal in a way.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:04

Yeah, because it's like if at some point you do some shit that I've got to pull the plug, I've got the plug to pull.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:11

Yeah. I put you there because I have the material, right? You know, it's not just bec and and also it's like with someone like that, you know they're willing to do whatever. You know, think about Marquis de Sade, right? They know that you'll be willing to stay in that position and you'll be more excited by wielding power and hurting people than at some point being like, you know, this really isn't best. We really shouldn't shut down that water plant. A lot of people might die or something, and they're like, dude, what are you fucking talking about? Who cares? You know, like that would be they would want the person who'd be like, yeah, do it. You know, like go look at videos of Lindsey Graham talking about the war and stuff. It's like he's like, Yeah, bomb the next. Yeah, exactly. It's like, oh, it makes perfect sense. Why is he fucking hanging around at Disneyland by himself or Disney World by himself? It's weird. Eating ice cream, yeah. It's just so weird. Like, why is this 80-year-old dude who's not married, no kids, never had kids, nothing, like at Disney World by himself, walking around with a princess wand? It's super weird.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:10

It's literally like, you know, these people are like gremlins and trolls. And and I I mean that in in the sense of like um like they sound like disgusting people you'd never want to be around, because they are, right? And at the same time, at the same time, they're the ones who are willing to do that dirty work, and so they get put into those positions, right? Right? And and that's basically how our system currently functions. That's how our system currently functions. And so if you're going to be at these high levels in the current system, anyway, um, that's what it takes. And so, like, that's kind of uh there was this uh dude, did you see did you see uh this uh Tim Dylan uh talking about uh Melania? Did you see that? I don't know. Uh because Melania basically she she was saying um about the Epstein thing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:14

I haven't seen what you're talking about, but I'm aware of her talking about it, okay, which was so weird.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:19

Okay, so so she says and Tim Dylan does a really great job of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:24

But uh she goes, you know, uh this uh uh associating my name with the uh Epstein is not it's wrong.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:39

You know, and and then and then uh and then she goes on to say she goes on to say um we uh uh in our circles we go to parties and there are many of the same people overlapping in these parties. Everybody knows everybody. Why are they what why are they there?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:03

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:05

But but he's like his commentary on his like uh so what she's saying is uh when you're this wealthy and this beautiful, you know, everybody's the same, you know, everybody knows everybody. You wouldn't know that because you're not beautiful or wealthy.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:24

So the only parties you get invited to are your Uncle Jim's. It's a sad party, you know. But you don't get invited to these cool parties that all the cool kids go to, and yeah, that guy's there, and we all know that, but that's normal. But you wouldn't know that because you're but that doesn't mean I'm doing things with him necessarily. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:46

But that is uh it is probably in a certain sense true because you see all these pictures where it's like Jeffrey Epstein standing next to Melania. That's like I went to a Justin Bieber concert and I was able to take a picture next to him. Like now suddenly it proves I was friends with him and I knew him, and we were you know, like it's just you took a picture with the person.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:01

I think it's more like you go to a networking event and then you see like, oh, you're here. Can I take a photo with you?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:06

You know, yeah, exactly. Like, look, me and Patrick Beck David, see, this proves like we're buddies. It's like, no, it doesn't. You just went to the event and he was taking pictures of the people. It doesn't exactly remember you know what I'm talking about, Mitch.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:18

Mitch has lots of photos. Remember that uh the congressman over the talk.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:24

Mark Fincham, I'm his buddy. Everybody's friends.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:27

Everybody's like, see, he's he's got the ear of congressman.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:38

How many people believe it? Probably no one actually.

Giorgiani And The Paranormal Framework

SPEAKER_05 1:27:40

It's but I think that's what she's addressing is that point of like, look, just because they were at a party, I was at everybody was at the fucking party. It's like do you not know how the elite functions? Go watch Hunger Games, go watch any of these movies. Like, it's a party, and all the people are there. Yeah. Um okay, but but I feel like there's something we're we're leaving off with or leaving out with the whole episode. Anything. Maybe you're getting to that. Was there more you wanted to add to the point about yeah? Well, just kind of adding more context to it, like which there's so much. There's too much context. It's too I know, it's too much. But you know, anyways, it's just the podcast is like stimulation, right? You can go look and do your own research or whatever. We're just we're just offering some tidbits, right? But um it was really interesting going into the Giorgiani stuff because on on the one hand, his whole thing is just basically exposing the fact that the power structures, which is stuff we've talked about. Like not nothing that he said was like suddenly new information, but just the way he connected it was like really it was really cool because you know when you study destiny, there's a lot of stuff that from a certain perspective you can be like, man, this is kind of out there, you know? But that is only happening because okay, for example, let's say somebody went to medical school their whole life, right? And they were super in the medical system, all their knowledge of being a doctor was from the medical system, and then somebody comes along and says, Oh, I use homeopathy. How would that doctor react to that? Yeah, they'd be like they'd be like, that's out there kooky weird, come on, salesman. Right, but it's because all of their understanding of a particular thing was was in a very specific format, right? So imagine it's the 18 1900s or whatever, right? And everybody's you know, all about Newtonian physics, right? And then these weirdos over here are like, you know, actually the way reality works is it's quantum mechanical. And light can be both a particle and a wave, and actually the observer affects the experiment. It's not like you're just observing something as what's really happening in your observation. You're actually influencing what you see. They'd be like, Who are these weirdos? Like, come on, like, what are you so? But it's because they were using a certain sort of paradigm and way of thinking, and so anything that comes up that's like could technically be a real fact, but it doesn't fit into the language of how you were already assuming things are the way things exist, so it it seems out there, and until an entire theory is built that actually explains it very completely, nobody will start treating it taking it seriously, right? Right. So the whole thing about Giorgiani is he's putting together all the adop all the dots of all the paranormal type stuff that exists out there, um, which includes UFOs, which I had never thought about it like that, although at the same time I had, because I would always talk about UFOs and stuff of like, do you really think they're just aliens from another planet? Like they could be interdimensional objects, right? But I never considered that that really is technically I just never thought about saying it like this, is my point. It really is connecting the point of paranormal, psychic ability type stuff, telepathy, remote viewing, astral travel, all of that, UFOs, um and even going and he even is connecting the points about Atlantis. Now, his ideas about Atlantis are not totally clear, but he's looking at it more from the perspective of it's always been a part of the myth. But the point being that civilization was reset at some point, right? And so there's that, which means the history we've been taught is only a very limited version of history, right? Because you either think we evolved from apes up to our current civilization, which means there's no room for like an Atlantis or any other civilizations, or a million years ago there was people colonized on Mars. You'd be like, How would that be possible? We never developed space travel. We know when we develop space travel, so how could that have happened? But again, that's in the context of the story of history that you've been taught. Or you believe, like you're a Christian and you believe it was Adam and Eve, and it says in the Bible they begat begat, they begat so-and-so who begat so-and-so, who begat so-and-so, who led to Jesus, who led to this and that. Like, we have all the begats, so there's no Atlantis in the begatting, right? When did they begat Atlantis? They never did, right? When did they begat the Mars colonizing people? Like, there was not, you know, whatever. So, in other words, we have these two alternate versions of history, neither of which Atlantis or any kind of other extraterrestrial type stuff fits into. But then, of course, you if you look at Gnosticism, or you look at other alternative religions and philosophies, or all the Greek myths, or all of the Hindu myths and so forth, and you read them differently, outside of the framing that we were taught as what history is, you start seeing, like, oh, actually, even in the Bible, it talks about these beings that came and mingled with the sons of man. Like, that's weird. Oh no, but they're just angels. Like, sure, maybe they're angels, but what are angels actually? You know, you don't, and then you have, well, they're this story about the fallen and this and that. Like, so you get you have you're sort of like narrowed into a certain way of thinking about it. Okay, so Giorgiani is basically like Um all of these things are pointing to the fact that there's a layer of reality or layers of reality outside of our normal perception, right? But since let's say Descartes or even before that, whoever, uh science has been channeled into a very specific narrow focus where we believe only things that we observe with scientific instruments can even have the possibility of being real or affecting reality in any way. But the really interesting thing he explains is anything that's in the supernatural okay, but do the the the Catholic Church, Christianity has been here the whole time, even with science, right? So there's still a place where supernatural things happen, right, but that's purely the domain of the church. Right. So like a s an atheist scientist might say, Oh, that's all that's all hocus pocus bullshit, right? But because the church exists, and because we might have experiences that cannot be explained in the normal scientific paradigm, those are left to the realm of faith in God. And like you don't really have any way of understanding all that. That like you have to go to the priest, the priest can describe what that really is and so forth. So actually, the Catholic Church is way more open to demons, for example, demonic influence. Whereas the psychologists are like, no, it's purely a mental phenomenon, right? But but the the Catholics and and some Christians are like, no, there's like another realm that exists outside of what we can perceive like scientifically, but it's all captured purely as a supernatural thing. It has you as a human being cannot access that and and have that make effects in the world. You can't have psychic abilities or paranormal type abilities where you can actually tap into that other reality. So it's kind of like you're just limited to like, well, I'm just uh a person and I have to go to work and I have to, you know, do all the things that are considered normal, kind of uh observable reality, and there's no influence of that in our world at a personal level. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:18

Think about okay, so uh I'm I'm just like going back to the comment that you said on your post about the Antichrist, right? Where this woman's like, oh well, that can't be best for all because I used to not believe in God because I was under our communist dictatorship, whatever, and and I wasn't allowed to, and then I had an experience or whatever, so now I believe in God.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:44

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:45

That that monopoly on the paranormal means any experience you have, ergo God.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:53

That's in some way beyond your normal perceptions of things. It it it's it's been captured and framed into, yeah, you saw God. You used to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:02

As opposed to as opposed to you have a an ability that uh no one's explained to you, you don't understand it, and now you're you're having you're experiencing that ability and you don't know how to describe it, but maybe you you would look into it and you go, Oh, I I realize that I can tell uh what people are thinking sometimes, you know, or whatever, you know, just making up an ability here, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:36:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:30

Um and I and I'm just saying that because it's like if it was something that like okay, imagine it like this, Mitch, right? Imagine um you didn't know that you could talk, right? You could hear your own thoughts in your head, but then but then all of a sudden you start talking, and you're like, oh, sometimes I move my mouth, and like other people can hear the the things in my head, and then they start doing those things that I that I I was sitting. That that that's a connection to God, like what what else can explain it? You know, as as opposed to it being like a well, you were moving your mouth, you were vibrating the sound, they could hear that sound, and then they acted on that, you know?

Telephone Telepathy And Sheldrake Research

SPEAKER_05 1:37:17

Let me let me give you two stories that happened in my life, okay? Well, let's say three. Okay, three. One it's two separate contexts. Okay, so I'll give you the first context, and this is something I think a lot of people can relate to, which is, and I was talking to Drake about this, like um there's been many times where I've been like sitting on the couch reading a book, and then I'll randomly think about somebody from my past. Someone that I haven't talked to in in many years, that I haven't been connected to, that they're not involved with anything that I'm doing currently. And I'll just start thinking about them, and I'll kind of be going down memory lane for a moment about thinking about them and like, oh yeah, I wonder what they're doing, and so forth. And you know, I haven't talked to them in a long time. And then like the next day they'll call me or they'll message me, right? That's happened many times, like not like a thousand times, but I would say like twenty times that I can remember. Like, you know, you could say, well, they're just that's just coincidence, and it could just be coincidence. I'm not claiming that it's that it isn't coincidence, but also I'm not assuming it isn't or that it is, whatever. Yeah, so but my point is I would always I and and Katie knows this, I would always tell her, like, dude, I'm telling you, like, I was thinking about this person and then they called me. Like, I I I would I didn't tell her every single time, but there's a few times where I made a point about it because it was such a weird coincidence, right? And so one other than it being a coincidence, you could say I was aware that the person was gonna call me, and that's why I was thinking about them, right? So, in a sense, hypothetically, there's just a level of ability that we have that you can tap into information and become aware of it, and that's why that thought popped up because it was like it was already manifesting, right? Now, that's not something I can control. I can't sit here and be like, okay, let me I mean, maybe you could develop the ability, but I'm just saying for myself personally, I know that I can't sit here and be like, all right, I'm gonna predict who's gonna call me tomorrow. Like, I can't do that. It it's not it's something that happens randomly, okay? But it just kind of gives you a hint that you know maybe there's something else. But science would be like, nope, it was just a coincidence.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:27

But the thing is Did Did you ever look into Rupert Sheldrake and the morphogenetic? I was literally gonna say that.

unknown 1:39:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:34

What a coincidence! That was live on camera. We got it. But the point is, Rupert Sheldrake tested these things rigorously. Now, and and he showed that there are these effects. Like there was an experiment, and and Giorgiani talks about it in his book, but you can go and look at Sheld Sheldrake's lectures, but he talks about this one experiment where they uh it's called telephone telepathy, right? Kind of like exactly what I was talking about, which was what made me think about those experiences again, um, where they have some number of people who they're in different places and they're gonna call each other on the phone. And right before the call, like 10 minutes before, they tell the person, you're gonna be the one receiving the call, you're gonna be the person making the call, and then right before the call is when the call is made, the person who's receiving the call, oh, and then the other people are told you're not making the call. So right before the call is made, or sorry, when it's made, before they pick it up, the person has to say to the researchers who they think's calling them, and then they have to answer the phone and say, Hi, John, and then find out if it is or not. And apparently what they found was that the the nature of the setup, if it was just awe, if it was just chance, then 25% of the time the person should be right. Right? If it was just pure chance. But they found out it was like 42% of the time they would actually be right, like way over what you would expect from random chance. And there's been many experiences or sorry, experiments like this in many different contexts. Like he goes into a lot of detail about some really interesting ones that were done by people other than Sheldrake, um, where they were able to affect uh rant like the output of random number generators and stuff like that, like all kinds of stuff, right? So um, but of course, no scientist will take that seriously because they already assume it's not possible, therefore, there must be some fuckery going on. Even probably the average person hearing me say this is like, you know, yeah, I don't know, that's weird, but obviously it's not really that way. But why do you know it's not that way? Because the our our system has framed everything and conditioned us to accept that the realm of any kind of supernatural weird stuff is either not real at all or is purely the domain of faith, which means you have to go through an authority to really understand and have any influence on that, right? So, like miracles, you can't do miracles, God can do miracles, right? And maybe he doesn't even do them anymore. But but if anybody's claiming to do miracles, that's some kind of trick they're doing, right? So then you think about the stories of like the Bible where Moses throws his staff down and it becomes like a snake, right? But then the Pharaoh comes in and he's like, I got guys that can do that, and then they throw their thing down, it becomes a snake. But then Moses is eats the snake and it's like, see, but you're not as powerful as my god. But like, maybe they were really doing that. Maybe they could like I don't know. So um, but but Christians would believe and Jews would believe that they really did, so they're okay with that. Scientists are not.

Telepathy Tapes And Psychic Kids Claims

SPEAKER_06 1:42:34

Okay, so um let me can I can I add something? Or okay. No, go ahead, go ahead. Um isn't it interesting? The I think they're called the autism tapes or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:46

Oh, yeah. I remember hearing about this. We might have mentioned it, right? Telepathy tapes. Telepathy tapes.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:52

I never listened to it, but okay, telepathy tapes. But it's based on like the kids being autistic, non-verbal, and then they're like investigating whether they have some psybility, right? Some psychic ability where they can um predict actual things that are are happening and communicate that with um their mom or whatever, whoever their main caretaker is. But um isn't it interesting that that's being promoted right now? And and I think there is a certain case for uh the elite do have some belief that the nonverbal autistics or whatever could potentially have this psychic ability. In fact, in fact, when I'm saying some belief, I mean there's a whole fucking slew of experiments that they've done, like MKUltra, and then there's like really specific ones where it's like targeting children specifically. Um, you know, like uh what was it called? The gate experiment or or things like that where they're yeah, they're targeting children to see, okay, what kind of psychic abilities do children have before they're abused potentially, and then after they're abused.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:14

Well, the thing is, once if you do the abuse point from the perspective of creating dissociative identities, then if you have somebody who has certain abilities, then you can also control them as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:23

Right.

Black Projects And Missing Scientists

SPEAKER_05 1:44:24

You can activate them, right? There was this one story, and see the thing is again, immediately everyone's mind goes to, oh, this sounds really out there, right? But if you start do going into and under and looking into all the government programs that have been declassified where they were seriously putting money into developing remote viewing capabilities, and like they did rigorous experimentation on shit and like remote-viewed the moon and remote viewed Mars and remote viewed, like there was dude, like read Prometheus Anatlas, you'll see exactly what I'm saying. He's very specific in showing all this, and then it like opens up all these rabbit holes you can go down. Um, on the stream last night, I was showing because we were talking about I was talking about UFO stuff. There was this uh declassified document from 2019. I don't think I have it up anymore. It was from 2019, and it was like uh John McCain talking to Harry Reid, and then they were responding to Reed's request for a list of government programs under the aviation something threat assessment something uh by the Defense Intelligence Agency. And then they gave a list of like 37 projects that had been funded, and it was shit like traversable wormholes, dark energy matter manipulation, high energy lasers, remote mind control of robotic uh technology. Um there was one thing they were doing research on of the the limits of one human mind to be able to remote control multiple um you know uh uh like uh unmanned vehicles, you know, because like you could control one, but being able to control like a fleet of them, like how far can one person be pushed? Um it was like wild stuff, and it was like saying they were products produced, products meaning like the research, I think, by specific government funding, and they were like wanting to get that list, and then they had it. And there was even one of them where it was listed twice, yeah. And the first one was listed, and the classification was secret, and then it was crossed out, and then they had listed it again, and it was classified unclassified, right? So just saying showing that like clearly some of these were even classified from the beginning, um, but it was like all this crazy stuff, like like the the stuff that you would think just conspiracy theorists who are just like fantasizing about, like the government is doing serious research into all these things and probably shit that we're not even aware of.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:52

Um I'm just thinking of like okay, because this now gets to what Mitch was asking about before about the the scientists, right? Who are all of a sudden either dying or missing, right? There's like been 11 of them since 2024. Um and if you go back to 2022, you know, that what's her name, Amy Escrige or something like that. Um, and she's talking to like a bunch of people in a room, and she's saying, Well, yeah, I mean, there's actually like billionaires and stuff that are funding these projects, and then she's also explaining how a lot of these projects what ends up happening is they'll get some like government funding, and that government funding is like, Hey, work on this project for us. Okay, great. They start working on that project, they find some interesting solutions, and then the government comes in and they say, Okay, uh, now that's classified.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:49

Cancel that's not what they say, they cancel your project. No, they cancel the project. What she was saying is like they develop a solution to a particular problem, like some genius researcher, they'll develop a solution like in a theoretical way, and then they cancel the project. She said, But when they cancel it, what they actually do is take the solution, they move it underground, like in a classified setting, and then they work on the application. And then they go to the scientist and say, Here's another problem to work on. So you have like the genius solving the problem, but they never let him work on the application. And she was talking about it being sort of like a dopamine hacking, where it's like they always keep the person like searching for that thing that they can finally create this amazing technology, but they never let you actually get to the next level of it.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:31

And then what they do in the government is it was the Mansfeld Act in like 1973, where basically, and this is also relevant to that that Senate or that Representative Burchett, he was explaining this too. Where he said, I think we don't, I think he said, I think the government doesn't have the technology anymore. Whatever these advanced technologies that are being that have been developed, because what they've done is they've given them to like Lockheed Martin. They've given them to right, and this goes back to what we talked about with like Facebook and all these things, where the government develops to a certain point, and then it goes into the private sector where you now can't do FOIA requests on whatever the fuck it is they're developing. Right, like it's within company secrets now, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:49:15

That's what Austin's saying right here. No FOIA if some other company owns it instead of the FBI.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:20

Exactly. Right. So now you can't really request any information. So you only get like, oh yeah, we funded a project researching that, but yeah, it was canceled. But then you go look at Oracle. Oracle started as funding from the government, like all these different things, right? So you can kind of see how it's like we no longer have any access to it, and the companies can develop it, and then the companies end up having the superior technology and they can actually influence the government, yeah. Right. Um, so where was I gonna go with that point about the paranormal stuff?

SPEAKER_06 1:49:48

Um yeah, you you had said the story about uh yourself, then you'd said the Oh, oh, there was another story I wanted to tell.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:55

Okay, so I'll tell you another story. When I was younger, probably like Like 13 or 14, right? Um long story short, like things would happen, I'd get in trouble for stuff, and it wasn't even that I was necessarily doing something bad, it was just I had so much emotional issues when I was a kid that like I I wouldn't want to do things that my parents asked me to do, I would be punished for it, and I wasn't able to communicate with them, they weren't able to understand me. There was no support for like, oh, you're just having like this extreme emotional issue, and that's why you're not like cooperating or whatever. Um so I'd be punished, and it would usually be some kind of punishment where I would be like, you know, um put into a room and made to sit there for like days and not like allowed to come out kind of a thing, right? You know, like they would let me eat and stuff like that, right? But but to me, it was like I just didn't want to be there, right? And and it was just the the emotional turmoil was just continuing to go. And so it felt like being imprisoned, right? And I really wanted to get out of it. And my dad's like, you know, you're gonna have to sit there for three days. Like, this was really bad what you did. So you gotta stay in in this prison basically for three days, and you can't come out, and you can't you can't do anything, you can't, you know, uh play any video games, you can't read any books, like you can't do anything if you just sit there and like think about what you did or whatever. Okay, so but I'll just give you an example of like I really didn't want to be there. And I was told it's gonna be three days, right? The first day I'm just like, I can't take this, I don't want to be here, like fuck this, right? And I would pray right, I would pray that I would somehow get out of it, right? Very like intensely, right? Even to the point in two cases where I was like, God, if you're real, just get me out of this situation, and I'll I will always believe in you, because I never believed in God, right? And I also knew there wasn't a God. So it was like, but I was like using that as a form of like very intense, like, if you're real, I'll I'll believe in you forever, kind of thing, right? So then I would intensely do that, and then my dad come in and he'd be like, you know, I've been thinking about it, and actually it's okay, you can like you can come out or whatever. And I'd be like, hell yeah. And then I'd be like, Yeah, God's not real, fuck that. Like, I just did that. So I would like kind of know I did it, right? But my point being is I knew I was just like, now I couldn't tell you how it happened, like, how did I influence my dad? Like, maybe it was a coincidence, right? But it was like a very intense focus, and this happened maybe I could think of three specific times that I did that, and it wasn't necessarily always about God per se. Well, no, actually, it was like those three times, right? Now, if I was dishonest with myself, I'd be like, see, God answered my prayer, right? Right? Okay, and that's one interpretation, but no God showed up, no God talked to me, just literally the situation changed, right? And so what I'm getting at is we have ways of influencing reality, but because of the vocabulary framing of it, then when you get the result, you're like, see, that was God. God really is real, but you don't know that that's what it was. Because it was pretty clear to me it was just self-hypnosis, like it was just, and let's just say you do have an ability to influence things around you when you intensely focus. And I think that's what the occultists realized. Right now, they still might have some framework in their mind that it was like another entity that was helping them or whatever. Um, but but my point is just that uh I can see how people have these experiences, but then they uh they they accept that you know it's almost like, well, if I say it wasn't God actually, but I said I it I said if God helped me, then I would believe in him, and now if I don't anymore, I won't be able to use that power anymore.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:47

It's that OCD.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:48

Do you see what I mean? Where it's like, well, I gotta keep believing in God, and then you build it up in yourself and then you accept it and so forth, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:53:54

Um but I gotta pick this cup up and put it right down.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:00

But my but my point is like everybody in the world basically is like not realizing they can actually influence reality much more than they than they than they're aware of.

SPEAKER_10 1:54:10

And what I would imagine it is, what I would guess it is, is let's say these elite are whatever, at Bohemian group, praying to some fucking entity, or the Christians are in church praying to Yahweh. That ability to intensely focus, like that creates almost a residue. And if you accumulate that for generations and generations, right? Because your parents were Christian, your grandparents were Christian, etc. It's like you're you're almost creating a entity of sorts, but it's still just a reflection of the people praying. It's not necessarily a remote.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:43

That actually goes into the Sheldrake thing, yeah. Right? Because he talks about morphics. There's a word for this. I've I've heard about it.

SPEAKER_10 1:54:50

Okay, yeah, would be a morphic resonant entity, basically.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:53

Exactly. It's so exact the example would be so imagine we've created all these entities that that now that I've done the work of like putting all this intense focus and like forming that entity.

SPEAKER_10 1:55:05

Think about them with fucking Palantir. Like J.R. Token, whatever in the 1950s, was writing about it, and then you had the movies, which think of how many people focused on that scene with the Palantir and the fucking eye of Sauron and all that shit. So Peter Thiel and probably his government buddies, because this is probably some fucking CIA shit first, uh, then they're like, oh, let's just take this already strong resonant thing and just hijack it.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:30

Yeah. So like with Rupert Sheldrake, for example, he explained he shows that like when they would synthesize a new chemical that hadn't existed before, uh, like like chemists in a lab, it would take so much time to be able to synthesize it. But then in another lab, after it's been synthesized, it would like it wouldn't take very long at all. And he was saying that like the the the field, the universal field of substance, whatever, retains a memory of that, so now it's easier to access it.

unknown 1:55:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:57

So it would explain.

SPEAKER_10 1:55:59

It's a four-minute mile coming. Yes, exactly. Yeah, okay, guys, self-perfected, change the system. Okay, okay, okay. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:08

Cam, here's where I want you to go next is um the talking nonsense until it becomes like uh uh understandable, right? I I don't know if you can tie that into this.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:23

Well, yeah, it kind of goes back to the whole scientific paradigm stuff where it's like you're saying stuff that doesn't make sense in the context of the current paradigm. And there was this really cool quote, I forget who it was from, but it was in that Giorgiani book. I think it was I don't know if it was Foucault or whoever, but they were saying this point about um scientist, and he was saying like some like you'll have somebody who talks a lot of nonsense, and then they get their friends to keep to talk the nonsense until uh the nonsense becomes sense. Right? In other words, you have a new concept that's outside of the current understanding of things, and it really doesn't make sense to anybody, and you're using language in a way where it seems like you're abusing it, you're changing the meanings of the words and so forth, right? But then if enough people start doing that and you start developing a framework around it, at a certain point it's like, okay, now it makes sense.

SPEAKER_10 1:57:17

And is is this implied that it's something that actually does make sense, like with quantum physics or something, and they just had to embed it in? Exactly. Or you're saying it's like more like a devious thing. But it doesn't make sense according to that. Okay, it doesn't actually make sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:29

It it doesn't make sense yet, like okay, uh as the the same thing.

SPEAKER_10 1:57:33

But but is is best for all an example of this? Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, because best for all actually makes sense, but to the average mainstream concept.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:43

It doesn't make sense because you're still in this okay, because ultimately, right now, in reality, everybody is very strongly holding on to the point that there must be a hierarchy, and there must be a supreme being. Either there's no supreme being, but there's a hierarchy, and we have to get to that supreme state, or that supreme being. We talked about this before, right? So which means it like like Giorgiani really says very well of like the whole very concept of the one. Okay, we're not talking about oneness and equality, we're saying the one, the monad, the Atman, the Brahman, God, Allah. That very concept means you have no personal agency. And I think that the the Muslims are probably the most, the most honest about this about that, yeah. Where they're like, literally, there's nothing you do or don't do, or whatever that that is, it's anything that God didn't already create or plan. But then again, they have to do that weird rationalization of, but you still have to act in accordance with his plan, which makes no sense because you have no free will to do otherwise, anyways. So they but again, the rational mind can't accept this obviously retarded concept that you're not you have no agency whatsoever. So you have to like make up a story of like, well, I still have agency, but it's just whether I go within accordance to God's plan or not. And if I don't, then I won't exist or I'll be punished or I won't, you know, be with God. As if you could do anything outside like to God, everything's already happened. So you're literally just not even real. Okay, but you have be but the the reality is you actually do have personal agency in reality. Whether you are accepting that or not, you are affecting reality, and this is like what we're here to really support everybody to realize is you are creating this system moment to moment by what you're accepting. Yeah, it's not being done to you from some higher source, it's literally being recreated in every moment by all of us resonating this at all times. So, but because everybody is still resonating this inequality programming, that there's some source, there's some higher thing from which all things come from and are influenced by the idea that you're actually responsible directly for reality, each of us individually, together collectively, is such a foreign concept that it sounds like nonsense and there's so much cognitive dissonance. So that's why people have a problem when I'm talking about God. Yeah, you see what I mean? Because they don't want to take the self-responsibility of if there is no God, what does that imply? They think the alternative is meaninglessness, right? And that's how fucked we are or anarchy, yeah. But that's how fucked we are in still accepting the concept because you think the only alternative is meaninglessness, there's no purpose, there's nothing. And it's like well, you could create your purpose, yeah, you could take responsibility, and you're like, yeah, but that's not possible. So it just shows you like how even in challenging the concept, you're still not really challenging it.

SPEAKER_10 2:00:42

Dude, this is there's probably a whole vocabulary set of this that will develop over the years of figuring out how to impulse into reality this higher higher order concept, which would be best for all.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:54

Higher think about it, because like what Cam just explained is like we are bringing it forward, like it is that like the Sheldrake thing. It's like okay, it's taking a while now, right? But there will be like a resonant memory of it, where like eventually people are going to see, oh, it's it's just gonna click for them a lot faster, especially because we're gonna have things impulsing all over, right? As we grow. And and haven't you noticed this already, though, that as we grow, like people get into it a lot quicker, where they're just like it just makes sense, like they're they're following law.

SPEAKER_10 2:01:36

I definitely have seen that too with us having our clubhouse and our mastermind for years. The conversations we have nowadays, and I've also got better at explaining it and got better at recruiting people, but um the people I can much quicker get to the point where people are like, Yeah, I'm not happy with my life or the state of the world, and we actually need to do something about it. Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:57

So so that that point you were saying about the concepts and so forth, it already exists. Like the vocabulary is all we already have it. That's what destiny is. So it's not like we have to figure it out, but the problem. So, in other words, the more you study and the more you develop your vocabulary and do forgiveness, you start to go, oh, oh, it was already said, it was already there the whole time. So, like, even all this paranormal stuff, right? Uh, all of the stuff Giorgiani's talking about, I'm like, this is what Bernard's been saying the whole time. Like, there's a quantum aspect to reality, and you will not be able to access it really as fully as you possibly can if within yourself you're so you're still dishonest with yourself and you're not willing to take responsibility in a way that's best for all, because otherwise you could not be trusted with having that level of direct access to like like let's just say, in a certain context, an infinite creative potential of reality. If you're a sadist, you cannot would you want a sadist to have power over that? So the only reason why a sadist does have power is because we're all giving our personal allegiance and personal power to that sadist, right? Which is God, which is the one, which is Anu, which is whatever you want to call it. It's it's that entity that's like I just get off on the experience of everybody submitting to me. Yeah. So we have to root that out of ourselves.

Atlantis Searches And Seasteading Ambitions

SPEAKER_06 2:03:22

Wow. And and uh I I think the main point of where I was heading with the Epcine thing is that like the whole like all these things that he's doing with uh the children, or not children, but the the minors, and then he's got the Poseidon, the temple to Poseidon, um, he's like with Tislaine or Ghane or however you say her name, they're search seeking Atlantis, and and it's not just Epstein, but like all of the elite are following a program from Anu, they're following that mythology, and they're they're trying to basically um and Giorgiani makes this really interesting point. I I find it really interesting. Um he's like, why is Epstein creating all this stuff? Why is he searching for Atlantis? Anti-gravity, yeah. Why why is he doing all that if there's you know government programs that do this stuff? And and so how come he's trying to do that?

SPEAKER_05 2:04:27

And it's kind of like a like he's putting on anti-gravity conferences. He's like he's like going in and trying to do his own genetic breeding program.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:35

Did you know, did you know that he and Ghilane what they were uh asking Cuba, going to Fidel, asking for permission to dive off the coast of Cuba so that they could look for Atlantis.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:51

He named his submarine, Epstein submarine, Atlantis.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:54

Right. And and like he's like, when you look at that, it's like okay, so they don't actually know right per se where it is. Right. And and he's he makes the case that they're doing like a janky or a ghetto, like they they put together something themselves based on the little bits and and pieces that they've gleamed from elsewhere, right? And he's he's making the case that like they're outside of the club, right? They're they're actually outside of the club trying to recreate and and gain parity with the club.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:28

Like they're basically trying to do their own civilization where they develop the technologies and the secrets of Atlantis or whatever they believe it as their own genetic breeding to breed, you know, their own like uh population, and they're trying to figure all that stuff out because he realized trying to get into the system and participate at a certain level, he was like kicked, he was like not allowed to go that far. You're saying Epstein was right. This this is this is Girjani's theory, right?

SPEAKER_06 2:05:55

That that's that's Girjani's take is basically like, yeah, sure, he was connected, but he wasn't like that connected. Like there was a layer that he could not permeate that he could not.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:03

He was wealthy in the system, he was able to accumulate a certain amount and produce connections, but then realize, oh man, like I'm even kind of trapped. I can't really get into the levels, I need to just create our own thing. And uh, I watched this this uh interview, I don't I think I sent it to you guys of uh not an interview, it was a it was a talk that Ghilaine Maxwell gave. Yeah, she had this whole thing called Terramar Project, and basically she won she she realized that the entire ocean was technically an unclaimed country that belongs to everyone. There is no territorial claim to the entire ocean, and so she was developing this online platform where you could get like passports, and they wanted to create their own sort of other civilization, like like country, community, where it's like you own the sea.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:54

And I mean, I think part of that also was then you could go and figure out where the fuck Atlantis is or whatever, but you would also then you would be able to skirt whatever laws because right now the way that the laws are established for you know on on the ocean or international waters is I think after like a certain number of miles off the coast, then it's basically like it's a free-for-all, right? And it's the wild west. And and people use these like ambiguous laws, or the the way the laws are written, they may not be enforced, and so it allows for you to do something called seasteading, which is it's kind of like a homestead, but on the sea. So if you established like a certain territory and you've been there, you know, you're off the coast of where I can see these elite making their own fucking islands.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:45

That's what they're doing. Right. That's exactly what's in the Diamond Age. Was this Diamond Age, right? Uh or Snow Crash, they would have these floating. There was definitely the ones where they had floating islands. Okay, okay. Um actually in both of dude, both in Snow Crash and in Diamond Age, there was motifs of this exact thing.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:03

In Snow Crash, I think it was like a massive ship, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:08:06

It's like it's like the ultimate expression of trying to go off grid.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:09

Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:10

That's what like Epstein and Gillane Max, just in terms of what I've seen, like the extra information that the details. So so you see how like the mainstream version of Epstein, it's just like, no, he was a weird pedophile guy, and you know, Prince Andrew and all these people were just creepy people, and like that is probably still true, but there's like a it seems like there's a much bigger picture to all of all, you know, to the whole thing. And I and I would suspect then that the reason why they are doing that is because they don't want people looking into what they were really into, right? Because that's like starting to touch into air go into areas that the government really doesn't want us to know about. And I think that is also why the disclosure thing is so managed and curated into like a certain area because disclosure isn't just this is what I realized, it's not just the disclosure of UFOs and or aliens or something, it's the disclosure of there's other layers to reality that we're all directly connected within, where you realize you're not as limited as you actually think you are, and that your the your ignorance of that is being abused so that someone else can essentially it's like imagine each of us within us have a creative ability within reality far beyond what we realize. But if you don't know about it and I can mind control you, I can access your little piece of the pie and build what I want. Yeah, it's like I'm stealing your capacity, and you just don't even know it.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:44

But yeah, um so the whole disclosure thing is so fascinating to me. I was talking about on the stream last night because I was showing how before 9-11 they came out with the Pearl Harbor movie, right? And then also during COVID, there was this show called Utopia, and it was about a virus and a vaccine and like all this crazy shit, and it came out after COVID, and I was like, well, okay, that doesn't really prove it. But I was like, well, when did they start production? And it was 2018.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:12

Oh, okay.

Disclosure Movie And Mind Control Imagery

SPEAKER_05 2:10:12

Okay, so I'm like, why are they coming out with this disclosure day movie? Like stupid. Yeah, did you watch the trailer?

SPEAKER_10 2:10:21

Dude, it's crazy. Dude, I I yeah, I saw it in theaters. I went to some movie like, I don't know, half a year ago, and I saw Oh no, I saw the Avatar movie, and it was one of the trailers. I was like, this shit's insane.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:33

There's this scene in the trailer I saw where this guy's like hooked up to like a headset in a in like a some kind of government facility, but then it shows him projected into a woman's living room, and she comes in and he's sitting at her chair, and he's like, Hi, Mary. And but it and then it for a moment it shows he's not in the chair, and he's still back in the other one, but she's seeing him holographically there. And then when he's back in the in the room, like at the actual place where he's actually at, he has this weird kind of like crystallized wand type thing in his hand, and he goes like this, and then it shows back in the room where she's at, she's it shows her hand like turning, and then he goes like this, and then it shows her like doing that, like he's like basically controlling her body. Oh, that's crazy. But when we were looking at those documents last night from the Defense Intelligence Agency, one of those projects was the ability to like mentally control some kind of uh I forget the way it was worded, it was so interesting, but it was like basically you could read it as that type of technology where you can mentally control something where you're not physically present, right? And I was like, So it's like they're disclosing a lot of concepts, but in a way where it's all just Hollywood, it's all myths and fantasy. And yeah, and then there's there's a there's a point in the trailer where he's like, you know, I want to disclose all this information, and she's like, Are they people? He's like, and she he goes, No. So they're already pre framing it that there's like an extraterrestrial alien perhaps intelligence or something. And Giorgiani basically is like, no, there's no actual aliens from another planet. That's that's actually like not what's really going on. So there's like two layers to it. There's humans. So humans with advanced technology that present themselves as these Nordic alien types that look like human beings. Why do they look like human beings? Because they are human beings, right? They're just like evolved. And then there's the other layer, which is sort of like the occult side coming from the other dimensions into our reality. So there's like two types of UFOs. There's like human-built technology, and then there's the sort of atemporal outside of space and time sort of aspect to it. And they just don't want you to know about any of it, basically.

SPEAKER_10 2:12:42

Yeah. Wow. I heard him talk about the Nordic. Did he talk about that at all? Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what he was basically saying.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:50

Is like the Nordics. Yeah. That's the human type. Dude. Okay. But the advanced technology.

Nordics Nazis And Time Travel Theory

SPEAKER_05 2:12:55

This is one of those things where for me it's even a little out there. And I don't want to say I believe it because I'm like, I don't know. Like, it could just be a story, if that makes sense. Like, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. But his whole idea is so the Nazis, Mitch. Okay, so we're talking about Epstein, right? We're talking about Epstein. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Talk about Epstein. He's into genetic breeding, anti-gravity technology, etc.

unknown 2:13:18

Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:19

Do you know what the Nazis were into? Uh anti-gravitic technology? Yes. UFOs. He was there's claims that the UF, the Roswell incident was actually a Nazi created UFO. It's man-made. And he was like, Yeah, I heard him saying some crazy. He was showing how the technology that they just that they found was literally state-of-the-art technology, like perforous metal, uh porous metal, um, Velcro type applications, things like that. Like they weren't like some interdimensional shit, right? Or like some alien technology. It was like just the state-of-the-art technology in Germany. Um, but they were also into what? Creating what? What's their whole deal?

SPEAKER_10 2:14:00

Oh, the the Aryan race? The super race.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:03

So his whole theory, okay, which I know is wild, I'm just like telling you what he said, right? His whole theory is that at some point in the future, these genetic breeding evolve people who also are more in tune with their psychic abilities and shit like that, which the government is studying, evolve into a point where they develop actual UFO type technology that's anti-gravity. But when you have anti-gravity, when you warp space, you also warp what? Time. Time. So they effectively become time machines where they can then go back in the past to different points and influence human civilization. Oh shit. I'm reading purple right now. Because at some point, their civilization doesn't work anymore. And they're like, we gotta keep it just like Terminator, like Skynet's like going into the past because it knows it gets destroyed at some point. It's trying to like prevent that from happening, right? So it's like sending back, you know, the Terminators and all this shit, right? So that's the whole idea, is why these Nordics appear human, is because they're just super genetically engineered people that are like a superior race from the perspective of beauty and strength and intelligence and all that stuff. And that's why they have UFOs, and that's why the Nazis were into UFOs and all this shit, right? And he thinks that the Nazis never actually were defeated. The SSH.

SPEAKER_06 2:15:25

They not just NASA NASA, CIA, everything, everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:31

So that's why the government is continuing all these deep dark projects about developing UFOs and selected pretty and all this shit. That's what's going on. So he's like, they're just Nazis from the future.

SPEAKER_10 2:15:42

Is this all in that long ass one you sent where it takes like 27 minutes to start?

SPEAKER_05 2:15:47

Uh 27 minutes. There's multiple long ass ones. Is that the X Spaces one?

SPEAKER_06 2:15:51

I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:52

I would I I wouldn't even listen to that one without the go go to the one where he's in the white room. Jesse Michaels, those two.

SPEAKER_06 2:15:58

Jesse Michaels, that one.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:59

And then the Danny Jones ones are good as supplements because he goes into more detail. Yeah. So yeah, it's fascinating. It's fascinating.

SPEAKER_06 2:16:05

Yeah. Um you'll like it, Mitchell. You'll like it.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:09

Yeah, I because I remember hearing about him a while back because there was a guy who came to our clubhouse who was like, Oh, I'm so into Jason Giorgiani. I was like, okay, sure, I'll listen to one of these guys. And then I saw it was on Danny Jones, and I remember I was listening to it one night when I was just falling asleep, and I was like, this is fucking crazy. He was talking about these free energy facilities on the border of fucking Germany during World War II and all this shit.

Best For All As Real Power

SPEAKER_05 2:16:35

And I was like, So the thing, the thing that's so okay, because like I think what happens is people start studying that stuff and they're like, I want to develop the sciability. They basically become like Jeffrey Epstein, like I want to tap into all this and like get out of this trap that I'm in. Like, and and what we realize is that's a waste of time.

SPEAKER_06 2:16:53

Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:53

Okay, so so just for anybody out there, if you want to tap into that in some way, okay, the way you would tap into that stuff, like the psi stuff, is develop yourself to be really self-honest and have the starting point of supporting others and yourself to do what's best for all. And then perhaps along the way you'll develop abilities that you didn't realize you had. But it's like, okay, if you could read other people's thoughts, what would you do with that information?

SPEAKER_10 2:17:23

I would totally dominate the average person is like, I would do it so I could either have more sex or make more money.

SPEAKER_06 2:17:31

So instead, do you remember there was a that movie? Uh and I think the guy was like I think it was like Dennis Quaid or something, and he could read women's minds. I never saw the movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:45

Dennis Quaid?

SPEAKER_05 2:17:46

I think it was Jack Nicholas or Melbourne Gibson. Mel Gibson.

SPEAKER_06 2:17:49

Mel Gibson, not the same person.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:51

Like what women want or something.

SPEAKER_06 2:17:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you remember.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:55

You do remember. Okay, yeah. I shouldn't know the we're going through the whole spectrum of Hollywood. The sci-fi thing you're talking about.

SPEAKER_06 2:18:01

No, no, no, no, no. But like, but yeah, it was it was basically he could read women's minds, and it was like the whole point of it was like, what would you do if you could read women's minds? Like that that was the whole cache. Like, oh yeah, then I'd be able to do that.

SPEAKER_10 2:18:13

I'm good without that.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:15

Well, well, okay, come on, come on. I don't want to read women's minds.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:20

That's fucking exhausting.

SPEAKER_10 2:18:21

Yeah, I'll just talk to my wife a couple times a day.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:23

I'll be getting so so the thing is, what if two things. So one, I think a lot of these Georgiani type people, not him personally, I'm not talking about him, I'm saying the people that follow him and get into it, they see it as like, oh, I can get out of this trap and reincarnation and everything by developing my abilities, but they don't realize it's all of us or none of us. Because if you really understood the situation, you would realize we're all resonating reality into what it is. There's no like Bernard said, the universe is finite, so you can't go escape forever into some other infinity situation where no one's fucking with you anymore. Like you'll just be your own person. Like you it's really all of us or none of us. So then if you consider it from that perspective, um if you if if there's any interest you have of wanting to develop your abilities and so forth, like if you could read people's thoughts, would you take advantage of it? Or would you see it as a way of okay, I can I I can see what this person's thinking, but let me help them understand even further how to actually do what's best, how to create a world that's best for all. So what I'm saying is you can develop a lot of fake psychic abilities where it's just boosting up your ego, but you'll never know if they're real or not. It could just be a delusion. You will never I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of context as to how I know that, but I'm saying it's it's not real. The only real actual abilities is the ability to influence reality through your words and your actions based on how you're thinking in a way that's best for all. So I do see that there's a lot of potential to develop capacities beyond what you accept, but not if your starting point is just to escape. So it's like we can sit here and blame the people who are in religion, being like, you're just trying to escape from the problems that we're creating. But then these people who have kind of hit up against the point of like, oh, there's like a reincarnation trap, and there's like some kind of entities that wanna be rulers, like I gotta get out of here. And it's like, no, see, you're missing the point. You've gotta get them and everyone else and yourself to actually come together and realize we should create a world that's best. Because you don't control reality all by yourself. That's not that's not a possibility. There is no realm you can get to beyond this, where suddenly you can just create whatever you want. It's you see how like the law of attraction, all that shit sort of like has infested our our minds and so forth.

SPEAKER_06 2:20:48

Definitely, definitely.

SPEAKER_10 2:20:50

There was a cool phrase the other day. We were talking about creationist journey to life, number 187. And in there, Bernard has a line, he called it the stupidity of self-dishonesty. Like he he saw that point early on when he was uncovering a lot of this of the stupidity of self-dishonesty, because it will create consequence and it will ultimately compromise you. So that was like for him, that was a you could say a quote unquote motivation, but it's like I was really looking at that the past few days of because you'll know those little moments where it's that little self-dishonest thought, and I've I've been able, I mean, I use my techno tutor for it, to be able to see, yeah, fuck those thoughts. I'm not here to be stupid. I mean, I'm here to figure out how to go all the way.

SPEAKER_06 2:21:40

I mean, if you think about it, like logically, like within the self-dishonesty, it's like okay, you might be able to deceive yourself for this moment right now because it gives you some temporary benefit, let's say.

SPEAKER_05 2:21:56

And it's not a real benefit, it's like a very short-lived, like it's a sadistic type of like you're just getting some feeling from it.

SPEAKER_06 2:22:04

It you're really just delaying, you know, like you're pushing off the inevitable because eventually you're gonna have to deal with that point, like it's it's gonna come back eventually, and so the the self-descontrol it's stupid for that reason because it's like, yeah, but you just kick the can down the road and the can gets bigger.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:22

Now you're facing your you're gonna force yourself to face it for real later.

SPEAKER_06 2:22:26

And you know, he's got a he's got another article um on the Destiny website, and uh basically the article states like if you're avoiding something now, if you're saying like, oh, I don't want to deal with that experience right now, what you're actually doing is you're creating that experience so that you it's gonna force you into the point. I know that's what Cam just said, but but I'm I'm saying it in a in a more like clear way of like it's gonna force you into the point where you have to deal with it, you cannot escape, and you're like, oh fuck, okay, now there's no escaping it, you know. Um and you could try to deceive yourself again, but it just keeps getting worse, it's gonna get worse. But but look, isn't that a reflection of the reality that we're faced with right now? Where like everything is like constantly like, oh, and then this is happening, and then this, and then this is like holy shit!

SPEAKER_05 2:23:23

What what you don't you don't wanna you don't want to question God as the thing in control of reality? Okay, fine, we'll manifest it here on earth. It's called AI fucking super god.

SPEAKER_06 2:23:35

And and yet people are like getting into like even more, just like, well, no, uh, this is part of God's plan to destroy everything so that you know then then everything can be made new. It's like holy shit! Like, you are you are very self-dishonest. Uh Katie says to to play that trailer again. I'm gonna play that again.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:56

Okay, you find it. Let me add another comment real quick. I already found it.

SPEAKER_06 2:23:58

It's here. Um what I was gonna say is uh whenever you're ready, you you go ahead. You go ahead. I'll I'll just play it when you're done.

SPEAKER_05 2:24:07

Um what I was gonna say is that uh I don't remember now. So good.

SPEAKER_07 2:24:16

Alright, you could say it after.

unknown 2:24:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:19

What did you steal?

SPEAKER_10 2:24:20

Full screen that secrets?

SPEAKER_05 2:24:24

No children. They paid me to protect no children watching.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:30

I think people, Kansas City. Let's take a look at today.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:51

Let's let's today is t today's.

SPEAKER_09 2:25:06

Do you understand what she's saying?

SPEAKER_00 2:25:08

I hear it it's gibberish. I can't understand it.

SPEAKER_09 2:25:13

I can.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:18

What's happening to me?

SPEAKER_03 2:25:19

People are stalked for the truth. I'm a part of it now.

SPEAKER_04 2:25:24

I'm just sorry they made you a part of it too.

SPEAKER_07 2:25:29

Hello, Shane. Please.

SPEAKER_06 2:27:04

You remember when we were seeing like that sign?

SPEAKER_05 2:27:07

Uh I think it is that actually.

SPEAKER_06 2:27:09

I think that's what it is. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:11

You have to try to know what they're saying. It's like that sign speech, sign signal.

SPEAKER_06 2:27:15

Sign wave, sign wave speak. Sign sinusotal.

Fake Gurus And Hungover Meditation

SPEAKER_10 2:27:19

Oh, and not not like those uh women you showed at the meditation retreat, Cameron, who are speaking in light language.

SPEAKER_06 2:27:25

Dude, okay. Speaking speaking of meditation, Christine was telling me because she likes to, I don't know why, but like uh she saw one of her one of the people that we met here locally, um, has a sibling that was part of like some cult thing or whatever, right? And then they were part of like this documentary about the cult because they recently got out, or whatever, they were on a documentary. Um, and she's like the the person was posting on Instagram, here's my brother, and you know, the cult that he escaped, and whatever. And Christine was like, really, like, ooh, what's this? She wants to watch it. So um she was watching that, and she goes, she's telling me about it because she knows I'm not gonna watch it, but uh, but she's like, it was so interesting because the guy says that her this gal's brother says that uh what got him interested was he was watching this guy. He came across like some videos of his, and he was like, Oh man, the the guy basically portrays himself as like a messiah, the messiah, he's some spiritual guru, he's not even human, blah blah blah. And the guy watching it, the brother watched, he's like, Oh man, this he was really interested, it sounded really good to him, he liked it. And so what he did, because he's like a a video editor, he decided to edit this guy's videos and put like nice music to it and and turn it into like a meditation so that he could get noticed by this guy. And so eventually the guy does notice him and he reaches out and he's like, Oh, why don't you come visit with me and blah blah blah, right? So the brother goes to visit with this guy in Egypt because apparently this guru is some reincarnation of Ra, is what he what he said, right? And so he's visiting with him in Egypt, and then he gets there and he's like, Oh, this is uh just a normal guy. But he was already like so caught up in it, he's just like, Well, I'll just stay around anyway. And the guy eventually like gets close enough to the the brother where he basically trusts him with some shit where he's like, you know, like he the the brother notices like they he this guy's got two girlfriends and they're constantly fighting because they're caught they're always jealous of each other. And uh he says the other thing was that the guy would drink and smoke, and so he's like, Okay, so you're some like off, you know, you're not human, and yet you're doing all this shit like that.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:08

Like drinking, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:30:10

Yeah, and so he said um he would do these retreats, and and so they're doing this retreat in like Costa Rica or something. There's a hundred people in attendance, and the night before, the guy is just drinking, smoking, he's getting like wasted, basically. Yes, and he's entrusted the brother to wake him up before the event, before the retreat. And so the retreat starts at like you know nine o'clock. And so at 7.30, the brother's like coming in, he's like, hey, uh, you know, it's gonna start at nine, it's 7.30 now. And the guy's like, uh, and so he's like, just give me five more minutes.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:54

So he keeps coming back, five minutes, five minutes, five minutes, and uh, and the guy keeps pushing him off until finally it's literally just five minutes before the event. And then he's like, it's it's happening now, it's five minutes from now. And the guy's like, five minutes. He gets up, they show up to the event five minutes late, even though it's just on the you know, just it's on the same property.

SPEAKER_06 2:31:20

They show up five minutes late, and then he says, uh, when he gets there, he literally spends the first 30 minutes just sitting there with his eyes closed, his head down.

SPEAKER_05 2:31:33

They all think he's meditating or something.

SPEAKER_06 2:31:34

Everybody thinks he's meditating, everyone's like, oh wow, and they're like so in awe. And the brother's like, I'm watching this, and I'm like, I know he's he's just hung over. Like, he's he's sleeping, he's he's trying to wake up. And and everybody's just like they're feeling so like, oh wow, like inspired by just this guy's meditation, you know, even though it's it's just all a facade, right? I it just reminded me when you were saying that uh meditation thing, Mitch. Yeah. Anyway.

Real World Testing Versus Lab Certainty

SPEAKER_05 2:32:08

Uh I was gonna the thing I was gonna say earlier was just about that point of like self-honesty within your experience, right? And I just I'll see if I can articulate this point, like um it's like you can study something and then you can like know it by learning about it, by thinking about it, and like you know the information. But that's just knowledge and information. Versus you take that knowledge and you test it out in your experience. And then you're honest with yourself about what you experience based on it. Right? And and Giorgiani makes this point of like that's real empiricism. Real empiricism is testing things in your experience. So, like, somebody could even come into our group and say all the things that's in the material and everything, but then when you observe, just like you're talking about with that guy, when you observe their actual actions, and not that the point necessarily is about proving it to others, that's not the point I'm making, but you can see the disconnect. Like they say all this great stuff, and then you observe their actions, they do nothing. They don't support anybody, they don't change anything within themselves, their life, they just continue going along with their pre-programming in the system. It's like it's like nothing. Now it's not to say that people can't walk through challenges within themselves and so forth. I get that. We have to be patient, we have to be kind and all that, but I'm we're talking about you yourself. You have to test the information, right? It's like with our children, how we educate them, for example. No one can tell me I don't know how to educate my children. Right. Like nobody. Like, I'm there. Like, can I prove it to another person who's skeptical who just wants to discount anything I say from my experience? No. Can't right, like just like the scientists will who are always skeptical about these phenomena, will always it doesn't matter what evidence you give them, right? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_06 2:34:11

I I was gonna say, um, we watched a video on the hangout, and it was this guy in some county in Ohio where they're trying to build a data center, and he's speaking up and he's basically saying, like, listen, I'm not a cynic um when it comes to technology. Uh, I've actually used these technologies myself. I uh did graphic design for a company, and uh when Mid Journey came out, I was the one using Midjourney prompting it to come up with the designs that they wanted. Um, and eventually they saw that and saw they could do it themselves, and they fired me, right? Um, but he he's making this point of how you know they're they're telling us this data center company is telling us that they can take this water and use it in a closed loop system within the the facility so that uh they only have to take the water once and it won't ever create problems for us. He's like, and maybe in a laboratory setting that might work, but this is the real world. That's not how it works in the real world, because in the real world, there's gonna be some toxic sludge that they have to bleed off. And in order to bleed off that toxic sludge, they're going to have to open up the lines, which means that water is also going to evaporate, so they're gonna need more water, and and so and then where's that water gonna go? It's gonna go into our airspace. Where are they gonna put that sludge? He's like, I work for uh the organic mattress company, you know, where they're saying like it's all organic, blah, blah, blah. But there's something called forever chemicals, they've got to bleed off those forever chemicals, and where do they think that goes? That that's not just like, oh, we we just put it in a pile over here, you know, that ends up going into um you know the rivers, and and it's basically like this is a lie. So even and and he makes specifically he makes the point. He's like, I've seen how these studies are funded. The the study comes from the company that has enough money to fund the study. And if you have enough money, you can get whatever result you want. So what they're telling us is not the real quote-unquote scientific truth, it's the result that they want us to see, right? Right? Which is always the case, and even with the scientific truth, the the point that uh we were kind of talking about earlier, and I don't you you mentioned it, but just to make it even more clear, it's like you have something called Newtonian physics, and then a little while longer, uh there's something else or a different application, and you've got Brownian motion, Brownian physics, right? And then a little while longer, you've got you know uh Einsteinian physics, you know, and and these all describe different things. You you're not gonna use uh Newtonian physics to describe the quantum physical because you're describing different things, and they don't actually the the definitions that you have for the same words that you're using are different definitions when it comes to Newtonian physics versus the quantum physics, right? It's completely different. The words are not interchangeable, actually.

SPEAKER_05 2:37:28

You're talking about mass or energy and Newtonian versus Einstein, they actually mean different things, they have different mathematical descriptions.

SPEAKER_06 2:37:35

Right, right, exactly, exactly. And and and so, even within we're still talking about science. Yeah, we're just talking about science, and so even within that context, it's not it doesn't translate. So then how are you gonna say within oh well where's your white paper or where's your your scientific studies, where's where's your lab research, where's how does that even translate into reality? Because science can't even agree with other sciences. That doesn't make one science wrong or the other science wrong, right? It just means, hey, these things are not actually compatible in that way. There there is no currently, anyway, there is no unifying, you know, philosophy or or science that takes all the here's how the Newtonian and the Brownian, and it's all actually just this bigger size. There is no concept like that at this current moment that that explains all of that succinctly. It's you're in this realm, you work with this science, you're in this other realm, you work with this other science. That's currently how it works.

SPEAKER_05 2:38:45

Um you're next to see the same facts about observations and so forth from one to another. Certain things that will be true and obvious in one paradigm will just not even show up on the radar on the other one, right?

SPEAKER_06 2:38:58

Right, you know, and so in that context, it's like we're talking about real life, yeah. We're talking about like, and and the only way actually, there is no lab setting where you're gonna do a scientific experiment and she does this work. It's like, no, the only way you understand if it works in real life is you have to actually do it in real life, and then you'll see.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:22

Yeah, I'm like imagining a movie trailer, and it's like you're gonna go on this journey, and it's like before they get started, they're like, the only thing we ask you is that you trust yourself. Right? Because that's really what it comes down to. It's like you're gonna have to test things in your experience. It doesn't if some authority tells you what's true, like this is the thing we've been talking about a lot. Like if God says it's true, but didn't you have to make the decision within yourself that that God is God and that God is the authority, and how did you verify it? Well, I had this experience, like right, so you're testing it in your experience, but are you being honest with yourself in your experience? Are you the meditation retreat people had an experience too? Like, like if you're a Catholic and you say God is the author of peace, and and Satan is the author of confusion, and and I am and I can't let go of God, I have to trust God because God gives me peace. But then if you actually examine the details of your life, you're never peaceful. I can't prove that to you. You have to be honest with yourself. Like, I'm literally just anxiety-ridden all day long, and I'm totally fearful, and I gossip, and I hate people, and I'm angry, and I get frustrated, and I'm always like scared of the case.

SPEAKER_10 2:40:27

Except for the eight minutes I'm praying and I'm intensely fascinating.

SPEAKER_05 2:40:30

Yeah, where you're like in my Bible verseful mode, which obviously you're creating that experience, just like you were talking about with that cult guy, where everyone's like, Oh wow, this is so amazing. He's literally just like but they have put the symbolism onto him that he's something that grants peace and harmony within their experience. Like they literally just are creating that experience within themselves and not being honest about it. Yeah, so we're not asking anybody to do that. In fact, if I find people in my presence that are participating in that, I'm like, fucking stop it. Right, stop projecting things onto stuff onto reality, just actually test it out. And what have we observed within our group is when people apply themselves for real, they start to actually get more of what they really want. But it's only in the context that now you have more responsibility to go help others to we till we get to the point where we can actually change the laws in this world and the money system and and change the way resources are distributed, which seems like a really big task, but I mean, what else are you gonna do with your life?

SPEAKER_10 2:41:32

Yeah, and the bigger we get, like the bigger we get, the more influence we have.

Palantir Crime Tech And Closing

SPEAKER_06 2:41:37

Yeah, also within that, um you know, that putting off of like the responsibility then justifies or creates the conditions really for like a company like Palantir to exist.

SPEAKER_01 2:41:51

Right.

SPEAKER_06 2:41:52

Right, where it's like constantly watching you, monitoring you, policing you. Let me just share this real quick because I know we gotta go soon. Let me just share this real quick. Um, this is by the CEO of Palantir, put this out, and um this is just basically because we get asked a lot, the technological republic in brief, and these are like 22 points of the technological republic, and some of these sound good, but I want to just scroll really quickly because we don't have a lot of time to number 17. Silicon Valley must play a role in addressing violent crime. Many politicians across the United States have essentially shrugged when it comes to violent crime, abandoning any serious efforts to address the problem or take on any risk with their constituencies or donors and coming up with solutions and experiments and what should be a desperate bid to save lives. This to me just stands out very obviously. Like minority report shit. Exactly. It's obviously what this is.

SPEAKER_05 2:42:57

But at the same time, at a certain level, I can agree. Of course, but of course it has to be guided by the principle of what's best for all. It's like he in that he's kind of like blaming, it's like who is he blaming for the fact that like that other the next bullet point was the point of like there's far too much public scrutiny over people's private lives, right? And people can't go into service in the government because they basically are mistreated. I'm like, but who's doing it?

SPEAKER_01 2:43:23

Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:43:23

Who is he blaming exactly? And so you see, it's not solving that problem of somebody's evil here in this situation, even in his mind. So who are you talking about? Who is it that you need to control to be able to do all this? You see, like, there's no actual solution within it because it's really just like, well, we're the good guys and trust us and we'll do it all properly, and just stop listening to the bad ones. And I'm like, is there any actual delineation between the people he's referring to as are the problem and the people who he thinks are gonna actually do something good? Like, so how do we trust that? Right? Okay, uh, I guess we probably better go. Yep. All right, everyone. That's fun.

SPEAKER_10 2:44:05

Yes. Get out of there, everyone to share. You can do it. Show you care. So thanks for sharing.

SPEAKER_08 2:44:14

Self perfecting. Making things.