288 Navigating Existential Crisis

Deepfakes used to be a novelty. Now they’re a weaponized vibe, and you can watch it happen in real time: Netanyahu “death” rumors, suspicious footage, finger counting, and the way a single clip can set whole timelines on fire. We start with the messy reality of modern platforms (yes, YouTube, X, Kick) and ask the uncomfortable question underneath the memes: is the confusion the feature, not the bug?

From there we zoom out into geopolitics and the ideas that actually move people. We talk through Professor Jang’s lens on war and power, where game theory matters but eschatology often explains motivation better, because end times stories can generate coordination and permission structures that pure strategy can’t. That thread pulls us into Christian Zionism, dispensationalism, John Darby, the Schofield Reference Bible, and why “peace” can mean Pax style control rather than anything human and balanced.

Then we hit one of the biggest American myths head-on: the claim that the United States is founded on Christianity. We reference Thomas Jefferson’s letters, the 1796 Treaty wording stating the US government is not founded on the Christian religion, and the 1954 “under God” update to the Pledge of Allegiance during the Cold War. We connect it all back to AI as the next religion: omnipresent systems, data centers, and a coming economy of compute that may require “good citizen” compliance.

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Transcript

Cold Open And YouTube Return

SPEAKER_05 1:03

Good news everyone. You know that uh tell me the gospel. You know that guy from um uh what's that show? What's that show, Mitchell? The one with Futurama. That's it.

SPEAKER_13 1:16

I always thought Futurama sucked. Me too.

SPEAKER_05 1:21

Yeah, I thought some things were funny.

SPEAKER_13 1:23

They had a trope where it was uh what's the guy the only value from the whole show is that we got that meme of the guy who I don't even know his character. Fry. Yeah, where you're how could I get passionate about a show where the guy's name is fucking Fry?

SPEAKER_05 1:38

Why not?

SPEAKER_13 1:40

Well, you you could sell me on a drink, but but anyway, what what was your point?

SPEAKER_05 1:43

I was gonna say the doctor, the like the old guy. Oh yeah, he'd be funny. He always comes in and he's like, good news! And then he says something that's just like fucking terrible. But anyway, it's like Netanyahu. Yeah, exactly. Good news, we've destroyed the only source of humanity in the world. Uh dude, y'all see those deepfakes? Oh shit. But actual good news for our for our subscribers. Um, we are now live on YouTube for the current moment.

SPEAKER_13 2:16

Oh, how long is that gonna dude?

SPEAKER_05 2:19

That'll last an episode.

SPEAKER_13 2:21

Just wait to come out.

SPEAKER_05 2:23

Just we can you are the one who ruined YouTube for us.

SPEAKER_02 2:27

No, it wasn't it was you.

SPEAKER_05 2:30

How do you blame the entire episode about certain topics? Whatever. Whatever.

SPEAKER_13 2:38

Anyway, yeah. Well, what's so funny, right? Fucking retribution, because we've been right the whole fucking podcast for what is it, 288 episodes. Um, we were making fun of Deepak Chopra, and we had a funny episode called Deep Chopra. Are you trying to get us canceled right now? I'm just I'm just making it clear. Here I have the transcript, which I will not read. Word for word. Yeah, and uh guess when the live stream cuts. Guess who's in the fucking Epstein files, huh? Oh, Deep Throat Chopra? Deep Throat Chopra. Fucking pervert. So, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

He's like, Oh, I thought these spiritual yummy girls. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_13 3:17

That's literally what but it was it was funny because I think we were calling out the fact it was like really weird how pro-vax he was. Like he was or the YouTube fetus cut. No backs like like uh like for cows, right? Don't you have facts? Oh, we'll call it the facts, yeah. So he's very pro-facts, and uh, I was like, this is weird. It was over the top. I'll make sense now.

SPEAKER_05 3:41

What do you think his facts nation was with uh facts?

SPEAKER_13 3:45

I don't know. We should anyway, anyway, so uh congratulations. So now we're on YouTube as well for one episode. Finally again. Shout out to X True of Life for you.

SPEAKER_05 4:01

So yeah, if your name is uh Keith or Sandro, and uh, you know, you're like, eh, I can't watch it on the X, I don't like X, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Why can't they watch it on X?

SPEAKER_05 4:15

I don't know. They they're a lot of people actually send me messages complaining about X. They hate it. They fucking hate it. It's not very user-friendly for the last one.

Deepfakes And Internet Rumors

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Not the best thing for a podcast, I guess. Yeah, it's uh just so we can say whatever we want.

SPEAKER_17 4:28

So I guess. Yeah, well apparently, I don't know.

SPEAKER_13 4:31

There's probably certain trade-offs, certain certain things you're not allowed to say, but uh Cameron, I see your I see your live streaming on Kik. Tell us, tell us what's been happening.

SPEAKER_17 4:42

It's awesome, dude. Yeah, we can talk about kick for a second. That was a whole interesting.

SPEAKER_13 4:48

I never heard of kick until you talked about I only heard of Twitch. It's basically it's like the rumble. Are they just programming people with like fucking things that will like rumble? Let me just show you, okay?

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Let me just show you.

SPEAKER_13 5:05

Programming the fucking masses.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

It it it kind of blew my mind because I was thinking about doing this for a while. I got permission from my wife. She said it was okay to do it. She encouraged me to do it.

SPEAKER_05 5:16

Wow, your wife encouraged to do it.

SPEAKER_13 5:19

Wow, lots of good. Good wife right there.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

Oh, seagud. Kick like K-I-R-D-K-E. You got some ass kicking to do.

SPEAKER_05 5:29

No, she she kicks my ass. Okay.

Kick Streaming Feels Like Chaos

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Well, sometimes Katie kicks my ass too. That's not that's not uh also attribute of a great wife. Yes. Sometimes we need it. Sometimes we need it because we would love to just go gallivant around the world and well, I'll leave it at that. Um yeah, so um kick. So basically it's just like Twitch. The only reason I chose kick is because I just heard, you know, because you know I'm on X all the time, so I see people posting clips, and a lot of these guys are using kick. Uh I think Twitch, although I didn't really look that far into it, I think it's more for like video games, basically. It's more catered to that, right? For like streaming games. Um and the people who want to do like talking about shit more do kick, I think. So like Sneeko, um, he does kick. I think Nick Buentes does kick too. So that's kind of why I just leaned toward that and I was like, I looked at it, it looked pretty cool. And uh let me let me just show you how crazy it is, okay? Like when I say it's like a Rick and Morty episode, I'm I think there's one where there's like an alien TV channel. Do you guys remember this? I don't know if you ever saw that episode. I I've seen like some of the episodes, and I remember there was one where it was like an alien TV channel, and it was just like all these weird ass, it was just flipping through like this intergalactic TV channel or channels, you know, and then it was weird shit, like every channel, like weird stuff.

SPEAKER_05 6:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And uh these commercials would come on and be like it would be like it was it was funny, right? So he had a bag of eyeballs.

SPEAKER_02 6:59

So like I went on there just to be like, okay, how do I set it up? How does it work, right? And um, so here's the kick, here's the main kick page, right? And if I go to let's see, you know, it's kind of like old school YouTube where you just go on and then there's just a bunch of random shit, right? Although this is not the page that I normally look at. Let me see. Browse, maybe? Is okay, browse. So it's just all the live streams that are happening, right?

SPEAKER_05 7:23

Keith, we're on YouTube. I'm telling you, just go to YouTube. You don't like no, we're not gonna be on YouTube that long. We're on it right now.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

But look, it's just like random shit. Like here, look, I'll click this one.

SPEAKER_13 7:40

And I'm like, there's 6,000 people watching this. There's no way there's 6,000. They gotta be they gotta be. Look, look at the chat! Look at the chat. Uh those are bots. Look at the fucking language they're typing in. I can't read them.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

Um so I just started clicking random shit, right? Like, look at this guy.

SPEAKER_04 8:00

There's 2,000 people watching this. Watching him watch. What is he doing? I don't know. They're just watching him watch like fucking soccer? Like, here's some guys eating breakfast.

SPEAKER_13 8:13

Dude, I bet this is the future of fucking social media.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

Streaming. Um, and it's just like like I watched I I clicked on one, it was like these three Russian women. And let me see if there's anything else worth looking at here. I mean, it's just random shit, man. Um look, I got uh a comment from YouTube.

SPEAKER_05 8:34

What what rumors? Uh oh, that's it. That were on the room.

SPEAKER_02 8:38

Uh there there was one I clicked on, it was like these three Russian Russian women. Like, you know, like I don't know how you describe it, like it looked like maybe S Wort style. Right. And they're just sitting there on this couch, and then they have and they're like talking and they're not really talking about much. One's just looking at her phone, and there's this giant uh like you know those raffle wheels that you spin, you know, and it's like click click click click click click click, but it's going like super fucking slow. And I don't know what they're saying because like in Russian or something, and I'm like, what is this? And then I click on another one, and it's this Japanese guy, clearly a overweight Japanese guy for sure. With a wig, like like sumo level or just level, just like fat incel, you know. Uh he's like got a wig on. At one point, he stands up to get something, and he's got yoga pants, and then he has like obviously fake breasts, like under like a sweater, and he's just sitting there like with his phone, and he's just going like that. And then he's like sitting there hitting his vape for a bit, looking at his phone. And there's like 3,000 people watching. I don't understand. I don't I I don't either. Dude, they might be doing some like fake, like puffed up numbers thing though, too. You know, I don't know. I don't think so. I think it's just that's people just watch. And then they they they they're bored, they're watching this person, and then they just become like that's a person I watch, you know. So, anyways, um, and I would just do it like for like a couple days. I would as I was setting things up, I'd go on there randomly and just kind of see what it's about because I wanted to understand the whole vibe. And uh at one point, the guy clavicular, right?

SPEAKER_05 10:17

Okay, he was streaming, right? Very feminine.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

He was streaming, and everybody had like the most had like 3,000 views. He had like 20,000 people watching. Pretty sure he's like, so I click on his and it's like him sitting there and it's like a split screen, and then he's like letting other people come on. I don't know like where they're coming from exactly, but they would ask questions and shit to him, and he would just like give his perspective on shit.

Building An Existential Crisis Hotline

SPEAKER_05 10:41

Okay, here's what I think could be a really good uh format. I don't know for cake or what or if it's like for for our podcast or for something else? No, for something else. Okay. Not for our podcast. We already have a format for our podcast. I'm just saying, just in general, it seems like people really like watching professors, you know, and just like hearing them expounding on points that they've seen and like getting some real insight from that. I think that would be really cool. Maybe maybe you could do that, Cam. Professor Cam?

SPEAKER_02 11:21

No, I'm not doing that. But I did start a live stream, and uh basically uh I tried y'all. The first one I did was on some of that tough Tom Toughus Thomas Jefferson stuff. So I just went and I was like reading the letters and like talking about stuff.

SPEAKER_05 11:37

Why don't you tell the people here about Thomas Jefferson? Because they're not gonna go watch your game. Yeah, because what's the Thomas?

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Most of these people here. They were on the stream, okay. No, no, no. Well, I didn't see it, so you gotta explain. Um, we did we not talk about this on the last one?

SPEAKER_13 11:51

No, because if I'm not mistaken, it came from the Mark Andreessen thing first, and then like didn't that morph into this Thomas Jefferson thing? No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 11:59

Mark was saying something to do with that. Cam did say it wasn't related after that.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

It wasn't related to that though. Oh, okay. Well, I'll explain that in a second. I'll come back to that. So insert what I'm gonna say later here. This is what I talked about, Thomas Jefferson stuff. And uh it was cool because I think it was Sandro or somebody messaged me and they're like, hey, that was really cool. Because my point was instead of me just telling you about what's what Thomas Jefferson thought to like prove my point, why don't we just read it? So I was reading those and I go to the next one. So it's kind of like what we do here on the podcast, but like super like just whatever I want to do, zoomed in, autistic level, like fucking connecting all these thoughts, you know. So you know, we would spend like 20 minutes on a topic. This is like I can just talk about for two hours.

SPEAKER_05 12:44

Listen, I I know what that's like, guys. We we try very much like Cam gets his way a lot on this podcast, but we we try to wrangle him in. No, I have to know Drake.

SPEAKER_13 12:54

You you need some wrangling sometimes too. Yeah, we're back on the back. I'm like the cowboy. You're yeah, no, I'm I'm like I'm like the chariot. And like I got Cameron over there's one horse going fucking crazy. Drake's over there too, going crazy, but in it is he's over there trying to eat. It's kind of like dancing, right? It's like dancing to some like Zydeco beat with like some zappa.

SPEAKER_05 13:14

You've got some pretty uh I'm here on the chair. You've got it to represent the people.

SPEAKER_13 13:19

Yes, and then and then it's like the Coliseum around us, all these hecklers in the comments, you know.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Yeah. So so, anyways, my point is I just get to go deep dive level on stuff. So I did I did the first one on that. The second one I did on uh talking, I mean I I'm trying to remember what the what the point was, but it was talking about just talk about schizophrenia. We talked about I talked about Heaven's Gate cult, like we talked about all that stuff. I forget what the whole concept was, but anyways, it was cool. And then I had called it the existential crisis hotline. I was just thinking of that as the title of that stream. I like it. And then last night when I did my my third one, I forgot to change the title, and I was like, that could just be like the name of the stream. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's just basically what I'm talking about the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 14:03

Is you should have people call in. You should have people call in.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

Well, I was thinking eventually people could when there's like actual views and stuff, like people can do that and be like, tell me about your existential crisis. Like, what are you going through? What is your fucking dude?

SPEAKER_05 14:14

That would be so cool. Dude, that's so great. People would be like, I just lost my job. Well, we're gonna get into that today because I like Katie sent me a shit ton of people just like I lost my job. You know, I I can't get any work, all this shit. Like, so people can just call it.

SPEAKER_13 14:32

First, guys, first, hold on. I have something I gotta do.

SPEAKER_05 14:38

I was very, very curious about the Heaven's Gate. She's like, You talked about the Heaven's Gate? I I've been wanting to see that.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

Oh, because I was talking about uh spirituality and like the delusional nature of that, and we talked about Paul and his vision of Jesus and just connecting it all to like it's literally just delusional shit. So that's kind of how we got into that.

SPEAKER_05 14:58

That's smart.

SPEAKER_02 14:59

I love that. That was fun, and then last night, um last night I talked about Did I say what I talked about? Schizophrenia? No, no, that was the second one, the third one. Oh, I I did a whole fucking thing on transhumanism. Oh, and how it connects to spirituality, religion, it all ties together. We talked about Christian transhumanism, we talked about Martin Rothblight, like I read out of that transgender to transhumanism thing. Yeah, it was it was blowing my mind, dude. Just kind of talking about it.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

Okay, the book that I read, uh That Hideous Strength, published in 1945. It was talking about transhumanism then.

SPEAKER_17 15:37

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 15:38

Yeah. Like, and and as a goal of the elite to transcend their bodies, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:46

And like so I was tying it all back to Christianity because I'm like, that's what they're saying, too. Yeah, and then I I read through the Christian transhumanism website, and it's like it even is oh oh dude, there's a Mormon Transhumanism Association.

SPEAKER_05 15:59

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

So I didn't go too much into it, but I was like, I just discovered it. I was like, this is fucking nuts, dude.

SPEAKER_13 16:05

Guys, I have uh I have Cameron's cover photo for his uh podcast. It's not podcast for his live stream.

SPEAKER_05 16:12

Oh, that was supposed to be Cameron. I didn't know who did you think that was?

SPEAKER_13 16:16

I see it. I see it now. I did not know who. Look, you got Candace Owens taking notes. You got this guy? Who's that guy?

SPEAKER_02 16:23

I don't know. It's that guy who does the tech reviews. Oh yeah, that black eye. Marcus Brownley. Yes, it's Marcus Brownlee. The hat does have my hat on. I do have that hat. Uh yeah, so so I'm thinking I'll just call it Existential Crisis Hotline. I think it's a good one. And uh, I do it on Kick. Kik is is pretty uh it's actually pretty cool because what I realized is within that, watching all these other people, I'm like, oh, you can literally just do whatever you want. And it's cool too, because like you know how sometimes here it's like there might be an interruption, but it's a podcast, so you're like uh on that, people will just be like, oh, I'll be back in a minute, and they'll go do something and they'll come back. You know, not that you should do that unnecessarily, but it's it's much more like informal. So it's almost like I'm just on there reading to myself and talking out loud, and it's like you're a fly on the wall. That's essentially what it is. But there's also a live chat too, which is cool.

SPEAKER_05 17:14

Yeah, I'm gonna start my own.

SPEAKER_13 17:16

I bet I bet that'll be a lot of the future of uh online content because you have the whole AI slop storm happening in full blast right now. I mean, I I think there's still more waves to it, but I think people are gonna be like Yeah, I think we just saw some AI slop. Dude, that was AI fucking gold right there.

Transhumanism As A New Religion

SPEAKER_02 17:35

You can wire me two grand for that. That'd be your server phone. So so Mitch, are you buying into the whole Netanyahu AI stuff or what? Oh, uh I like to see how Mitch processes these things in AI.

Netanyahu Death Claims And War Psyops

SPEAKER_13 17:49

What is this? I I I I don't think Netanyahu's dead. But I do think it allows him to give this air of mystery for sure. In case anyone's under Iraq and has not been watching what's happening with uh Israel under Iraq? Oh fuck no.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

If I was one of these leaders, I'd be using AI on purpose, just like you said, to confuse everybody.

SPEAKER_13 18:10

Yeah, it it's like uh I'm sure this term for it like in chess, right? Where you're like feigning the opponent and then like, oh, I think we actually got him, and then your people get their hopes up. Like, see, it was AI, you know. So Netanyahu, uh apparently Iran reported that they got they took out Netanyahu, the leader of Mossad, and one of the other, I think the Air Force General or something like that. Did Iran say this? This is Kim Iverson was saying this on her thing, and she's got she just on X reading what people are posting.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

It's like, well, uh this Iran account called Iran number one.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

Holy crap. Uh okay, so I just saw him talking today.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

I don't know if it was what the when this recording was, but he was referencing the uh missile strike or the ICBM strike on Diego Garcia. That's just what that is. It's an Air Force base out in like the Pacific. It's that one that remember Ashton uh what? There was an airstrike in the what? Remember Ashton Forbes, the guy talking about the orbs and the disappearance of the Master 370? He was all about Diego Garcia, like it's all involved in that. So it's this like So there was an attack on the Diego Garcia base? Well, apparently an ICBM hit it, and so the significance of that is that means it has a range of 4,000 kilometers.

SPEAKER_13 19:36

Like when did this happen? The other day. How was this not like front page? Doesn't that mean hit on our soil? It's front page of my X feed. Oh, front page of what?

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Yeah, my fucking X feed. Oh, I don't know what you're looking at. This is all I see. Uh but the the significance that now Netanyahu is saying, and and so Iran said that wasn't them. That's what they're claiming, apparently. And so, anyways, uh they're they're saying, well, see, they have these longer the the missiles have a longer range than we even thought. Or, anyways, it's showing to the world what we were they were saying was true, so now they can hit Europe. So now he's saying Europe needs to join the war. The war that's already over, that we already won, that's unnecessary because we already decimated Aran's military, according to Trump. And yeah, they're like cluster bombing in Jerusalem right now, apparently, huh?

SPEAKER_13 20:26

Is this the false flag everyone's been warning about?

SPEAKER_02 20:29

What?

SPEAKER_13 20:30

Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

That America would get attacked. Well, it's already been attacking all the American bases. It's just an American base. It's just a base. Oh significant.

SPEAKER_13 20:39

I I I thought this was on our land. I thought this was on the continental.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

It's like in the I said it's in the Pacific. Like it's some fucking island somewhere.

SPEAKER_13 20:45

Oh, I thought you meant the Pacific coast. I was thinking like San Diego got fucking hit.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

That's why I was like, what is happening? Not San Diego Garcia.

SPEAKER_13 20:52

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

So it's not like a Pacific island base or something.

SPEAKER_05 20:58

It's it's remember the the Malaysian flight.

SPEAKER_02 21:01

It's where they diverted MH370 to before they teleported it somewhere.

SPEAKER_13 21:06

Asher Forbes is probably in the comments going crazy.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Guys, that guy. Like he was pretty cool, and then he just starts going off on people like Tucker and everything for questioning Israel. So I was like, You're a fucking Wait, what? He's I know I was very surprised. I was like, Yeah, he got real negative real quick.

SPEAKER_13 21:23

Like, he went like really spiteful. I was like, this is weird.

SPEAKER_05 21:26

Yeah, I thought he was like the guy.

SPEAKER_13 21:28

People flip that much, or you think they probably got some demons inside them? Like, I don't know, he's probably got some weird that's crazy. Yeah, it's weird. So but anyway, so Netanyahu, there's rumors floating that Netanyahu got killed in this airstrike earlier this week or whatever, two weeks ago. That there was these uh there was two pieces of footage that came out. One was him at some coffee shop, like walking around, and then there was another one where it looked like he had six fingers in it. Um shit, it didn't get killed. It didn't look Like he had six fingers. There's one of them that apparently looked like it. I don't know. I saw it. Did you see it or okay? Because everyone I Professor Jang, man. Professor Jang was talking about it.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

All I saw personally was ones of him and people going, like, how is this not AI? And then you look at it and you zoom in on the fingers, and there's five fingers, and you're like, This is a fucking Psyop, dude.

SPEAKER_05 22:20

There was one, there was one picture. Yeah, there was there was the picture that they used where they said, How is this not AI? He clearly has like five fingers. And I'm like, Why did they use this picture? Because you look, and there's another like screenshot of that same speech where he's got his hand up, and the way that his hand is folded, like this, there's like a fold in here that looks like like if you're looking at it, it's like, is that another finger? But look, look at my hand right now.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Right, you can see something there.

SPEAKER_05 22:49

Yeah, it looks like something's there. So it could have been just this, but it also could have been like, I don't know, that looks a little weird, you know.

SPEAKER_13 22:57

So I I could see the confusion. I think the the only other weird part was that the coffee shop he was at was like very far away from his home. Like he would have had to drive way out there.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

People were also saying like it was footage from another visit he had done in the past that they had reworked or something. So I don't know, maybe it is. I'm not saying it's not AI, but it definitely confuses everybody.

SPEAKER_13 23:19

Yeah, and I think that was the whole point of it. Is now you have like some people are getting their hopes up. They're like, oh wow, they got Netanyahu. And then he'll be able to get it. Like it matters.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Like, what why wouldn't they just put somebody else up? Like, it's such a chip. Like, as if he's the guy running everything.

SPEAKER_05 23:36

I'm looking at some of these fucking tweets that Trump puts out, and I'm like, what the fuck? Like it is.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Did you see the one where uh uh Robert Mueller, Robert Mueller died?

SPEAKER_05 23:49

No.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

Robert Mueller was the guy who did the who led the Russia collusion investigation, remember? Yeah, yeah. Yeah he died the other day, and Trump tweets out uh he just died. Good. I'm glad he's dead. He was a terrible person. Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

He said now he can't hurt anybody anymore. Jesus, what the fuck? Well Chuck Norris died. I did see that.

SPEAKER_13 24:11

Yeah, and uh Charlie Kirk's mentor died in a pickleball accident. Yeah, did you see that one?

SPEAKER_03 24:17

I did see that. Yeah, I didn't realize that was his mentor.

SPEAKER_05 24:20

Yeah, it was like his mentor, his tennis mentor.

SPEAKER_13 24:24

I don't know what kind of mentor. Yeah, but then you had uh so Professor Jang was on Tucker this week.

SPEAKER_05 24:32

Mitch, you didn't give your condolences to Cam for his dad dying. Cam is Chaco Chuck. Chuck Camus is my Chuck Norris?

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Yeah. Chuck Norris is Mexican. What? What? How do you not know that? Mexican. Do you not know this? Okay, did you know Mel Gibson is Australian? What?

unknown 24:56

What?

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Oh my god, dude. What is wrong with you people? Fucking with us. You literally, you guys don't know anything. Look it up.

SPEAKER_13 25:03

I thought Mel Gibson was the most patriotic. Mel Gibson is Australian. Mel Gibson was the fucking. You know he's an actor. Semi.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

A what? He's a what?

SPEAKER_02 25:16

He's an actor. He does not he's Australian.

SPEAKER_13 25:19

He's an Australian American Australian.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

He got born in New York. Well, but he's Australian. He's his normal actor is like an Australian fucking accent.

SPEAKER_05 25:28

No, no. If you're born in the New Yorker.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

He's American-born.

unknown 25:33

What the hell?

SPEAKER_05 25:34

That's American.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Look up, look up Chuck Norris.

SPEAKER_05 25:37

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not listening to you anymore.

SPEAKER_13 25:39

He's Chuck Norris, Mexican. Oh my gosh. Chuck Norris. Where are you getting your data from, Cameron? It says he was born in Oklahoma.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

Full of fucking lies. What the fuck is wrong with you?

SPEAKER_13 26:00

Cameron's just deflecting because he does kind of look like Chuck Norris.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

Cam, did you actually think Chuck Norris is Mexican? His name is Carlos.

SPEAKER_13 26:17

Carlos Norris is Mexican. Chuck Norris. Hilarious. Chuck Norris is a man.

SPEAKER_05 26:21

Carlos Rey Norris. Okay, sure.

SPEAKER_13 26:24

Chuck Norris about to have to do a life review now that he fucking died. See what he was accepting and allowing. Um yeah, uh, Emmy, pickleball accident. Yes, a pickleball accident. So yeah, go figure. Kind of like when Obama's uh security guard or Obama's chef uh died in a paddle boarding accident, that kind of thing. Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 26:50

Maybe that's what you thought was Mexican, uh Cherokee roots. Uh his name's Carlos. That's all I need.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

That's all the evidence I need.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

All right, buddy. Look, it says it right here. His mother was Irish, his father is German, British, and Cherokee.

SPEAKER_14 27:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

And they named him Carlos. What more evidence do you need? He was conceived on their Mexican honeymoon.

SPEAKER_05 27:15

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_13 27:16

Nobody names their kid Carlos if they're not secretly Mexican. Drake has had enough. Drake is fed up with it with you, Cameron. Guys, this is peak drama right here on our on our podcast.

SPEAKER_05 27:27

Alright. I had to go. You were spewing a bunch of bullshit. Taking down your idols.

Professor Jang On Power And Infiltration

SPEAKER_13 27:36

Kill your idols! Okay, did you guys see the new Professor Jang on uh the law of proximity? That one?

SPEAKER_15 27:43

No.

SPEAKER_13 27:43

Oh it was very it was very uh fascinating. So he's doing this theory or this uh lecture series on game theory right now, and it's like real time. He's talking about the Iran war. Um and he was explaining how like you'll have uh whatever the American Empire side, and then you've got the Iran side. And um typically in like classic game warfare, you don't want her, you don't want to is there something going on with Mitch's mic? Yeah, I bumped it. Okay. So you if if you well when you take out the top people, um it tends to create a lot more chaos because then you have people under that fighting for power, and they tend to be the more extreme, more violent ones to do that. So it's it's worse all around when you take out the top people, of course, and there's been a huge like list of all these top people getting taken out on the Iran side, and then apparently a couple on from Israel too. And uh Professor Jengs explaining this, he's like the way you find where these top secret people are, like Khomeini, right? When they took out Khomeini. Is that Khomeini the guy, you know, the main guy who died on day one?

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Um, between Khomeini and Khomeini, your opinion is totally invalid.

SPEAKER_05 29:00

Yes, that that's that's like the difference between tomato and tomato.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Do I need to call Mayor and have him fucking? No, but apparently there was like two of them. Yeah, actually. There was one that I wasn't even knowing before. Oh, actually. Oh, I didn't know that was a lot of people. I thought that was a sun or something. Like it substantially changes anything, you know.

SPEAKER_13 29:16

Like so, so what's interesting though is it's like you have these, they call it human intelligence and then signals intelligence, which is how you figure out, like, okay, he's probably looking at the communications and information versus you actually have a spy in the room, like confirming it, right? And so he's explaining how the game theory takes on this new dimension where, for example, he's explaining with Israel how Israel's actually very divided. A lot of people think, oh, it's all united under like Judaism, but if you look at their parliament, there's all these different groups that are like some like the Likud branch, some don't like it. And so you could infiltrate and you could actually get the infighting to happen amongst the the Jews. And so, for example, you could be like the second in-charge party uh in uh the Israeli and Israeli government they would also be okay if Netanyahu got taken out because then they could vie for power.

SPEAKER_17 30:22

Right, right.

SPEAKER_13 30:23

So it was like this very interesting dimension of it. I hadn't looked at, and then he breaks down the whole um the old world order in America and then this attempted uh takeover uh with the whole like MAGA elitist uh type. Uh, you know, the the Peter Teals basically, like the tech oligarchs. So we we used to be like the the power that got us here was the Democrats and then Wall Street financing, and that's kind of been the the status quo, right? Think like Nancy Pelosi fucking outperforming Warren Buffett, and there's this attempted shift now of the Silicon Valley execs, and they're they're using the conservative mega movement to assert their power. Yeah, and and can't hear you. Fuck got this fucking cord, dude. I need a wireless cord.

SPEAKER_05 31:12

You you need a new mic. That's uh it's not it's not on though. It's not on now. It's switched to whatever. We can hear your other mic. The air in your room. There we go.

SPEAKER_13 31:22

Yeti Yeti stereo. So that is what's happening though in the American government right now. Yeah. And uh it was it was it was very eye-opening to see that it's like a systems view on the power struggle. It's not just America versus Iran.

Trump Media Theater And Moral Signaling

SPEAKER_02 31:43

It's like it's not just one elite that's all unified, they're actually each in their fighting with each other.

SPEAKER_05 31:51

That's interesting because it's kind of like um, you know, I was watching, did you watch that Brett Weinstein Danny Jones podcast?

SPEAKER_17 31:58

I watched like half of it, yeah. I watched, yeah, like the whole thing, but yeah, it was good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:03

Um there was this part where um they're talking about how and Cam and Cam and I were talking about this actually, but they were talking about how um uh Trump and and uh the Clintons, like how they used to be buddy buddy way back in the day, right? And then uh during the 2016 campaign, like you know, Trump was out there grabbing him by the pussy, you know.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Remember that whole tape came out where it was like he was saying that stuff?

SPEAKER_05 32:37

It was more than just the tape, they they had it like on film, on video.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying, like, it was basically him saying like to grab women by the pussy.

SPEAKER_05 32:44

But they but they made it into like because I remember when that happened, I remember hearing him say that, and I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Like that was like my whole response is like It was like the great thing when you're a celebrity is that you can do whatever you want, like you can grab women by the pussy, they let you do it. That's what he said.

SPEAKER_05 33:00

And I remember just being like, Yeah, like that's that's my notion of it, my thought of a celebrity. Like this, this is what I wanted at that time, you know. I I remember you wanted to be grabbed by the pussy. I wanted to be grabbed by the pussy. I was like, where do I get one of these pussies so I can get it? I can't get around. Okay, they have an answer for that now, yeah. It can be a transit. So anyway, um, so but no, I remember hearing him say that and being like, it didn't sound like a big deal to me, and then watching the media turn it into like a oh, and then like all these other celebrities like you know, like how could he say that? And I'm like, You're a guy, you're a celebrity, you're all about getting the women. There's no fucking way that this is offending you. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 33:47

They were trying to offend the Christian base, yeah. That's really what it was about. They were trying to like get his Christian base to be like, ah, you know, maybe maybe we won't go with him. Like, maybe I don't want to. I I I can't, you know, let people think I'm okay with that. That was literally the whole play, right?

SPEAKER_05 34:03

But like I I remember seeing people that I knew I knew the way that they spoke, like just like people in public, I knew the way that they spoke, they would say some shit like that, and they were like, Can you believe he said it? I'm like, bitch, who are you pretending for?

SPEAKER_02 34:18

That became the whole national conversation, yeah. And people were like, dude, women when they get together in their little gossip circles without men there, say nasty shit too. And so that became like the whole discussion at that time, right? So people basically arguing, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:31

Anyway, so um, yeah, uh apparently before one of the debates, like uh he had prepped because he knew that Hillary was gonna try to use this against him.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

They were gonna bring it up, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:45

So then uh, which which was like now looking back, that's pretty obvious, right? Yeah, looking back, like seeing how the media operates, oh, which I want to get into. Um, but uh anyway, he knew that that was gonna happen, so he prepped before that. And I don't know if you remember this, Mitch, but during one of the debates, Hillary starts to bring up, you know, his locker room talk or whatever, like grabbing him by the pussy, and then he like fires back with like, what about all those women that your husband made? All the accusers, and she's like, Oh, and he's like, They're here in this room right now.

SPEAKER_02 35:25

I invited them as my guests, all the women that have accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault, and Bill Clinton's face was like, But yeah, yeah, like how fucking brutal it was a pretty cool counter. Yeah, so then they dropped it, and it was like, all right, she's like, I can't use that line of attack anymore, and they had to switch.

SPEAKER_05 35:45

Yeah, yeah. Which is so interesting. If you think about it from the perspective of like, you know, you're you're in their their corner, and you're like, all right, so uh here here are your notes. You're gonna go out there, you're gonna use this, you're gonna use this, you're gonna use this. All right, practice that one. All right, great. And then she goes out there, she tries to use that like boom, and she's like, eh, not that honestly, those three debates are some of the best television I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

Like, it was I was watching it. Like, I remember Katie and I we went and got like Thai food, and we were like watching it like when the kid, I think it was Max was you know a baby at the time. He was asleep, and we're just like watching this fucking debate on TV, you know, it was it was crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:24

Um so anyway, anyway, after that, um then like you know, they're enemies, uh and especially in the public, like just the point Brett Weinstein was making about that was you would think after you did all of that and like brought all that up, like, okay, you guys are not friends anymore.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

They used to be friends, you went this far at each other, you know, it's pretty much over at this point. They went all the way in attacking each other, right? So that was kind of the starting point of what he was saying.

SPEAKER_05 36:55

But then um what Danny Jones was bringing up was like, well, at the end of the uh at the end of the what's it called? Um when a lawyer sits across from you and they're asking you a question. A deposition, thank you. I've I just slipped my mind for the moment. Okay, at the end of the deposition, right? It's because I wanted to say this is recently. Yeah. Yeah. So you know how like everybody's being deposed about Epstein, right? What does depose mean? A lawyer sits across from you and asks you a bunch of questions that are for on the record that they can later use in court.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

They I mean, yeah. I used to transcribe the deposition notes for this lawyer when I was in college because they would just ask questions, they would then they would take that information, they would use it in the trial to be like, okay, well, you said this. It's like they're to build their case.

SPEAKER_05 37:45

Wait, basically taking statements in the room.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

No, no, he would have these like notebooks, like yellow, those legal pads, and I would just have to go through and read his like scribble scrabble and like type it into a computer.

SPEAKER_05 37:56

Read his scribble scrabble.

SPEAKER_13 37:58

Better not fuck it up.

SPEAKER_05 37:59

The fuck are you writing here, sir? Yeah, seriously. Anyway, so um, so yeah, they're they're like basically uh you saw Lex West lex Les Wexner get deposed, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Abbercrumbies, Victoria's Secret guy. Remember, he was also Bath Body Works, apparently. Wow, of course he wanted to be all over with. He had all those chemicals. I saw a Whitney Cummings thing where she was talking about like our whole childhood, because she's probably my age-ish, you know, and she was like, Our whole childhood like was go to Bath Body Works and so forth, and like smelling the ocean breeze candles and the Caribbean night. And she's like, Why is it all island themed? Whoever wanted to smell the ocean breeze at the Caribbean? Why is it all about the islands and the ocean, you're and then she was talking about the weird, you know, yeah, hatch they had at Epstein Island to like apparently drop bodies or something into the sea. It's like fucking oh shit.

SPEAKER_13 38:51

You want to smell like the ocean? I'm saying she was like, they were like dude, and think of uh Nickelodeon and Disney Channel too. That was like the others, that's like gives you that sense of nostalgia. Now you're like, holy shit. All of them were in on this.

SPEAKER_05 39:05

All of them, all of them. I'm sure you could find the Nickelodeon guy, you know, like the the head guy of Nickelodeon. I'm sure you'd find his name in the in the Epstein list.

SPEAKER_13 39:13

Dude, it was like a big thing.

Epstein Depositions And Elite Back Scratching

SPEAKER_05 39:14

Like it was his name wasn't there? Oh, yeah, what's his name? Um, I don't know his name, but I'm I'm I'm positive of it because he had an obsession with children's feet. You know, he was he he was more like the original. Back on trash guy. I don't mean I don't want to go there. We have two horses from the gates of hell. The other horseman, like the apocalypse. Anyway, so um what was I saying? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember though? Uh during Les Wexner's deposition, his lawyer leans over to him and he says, like, and you can hear him, he's whispering, but you can hear him very clearly say, if you answer another question with more than five words, I'll kill you. I'll fucking kill you. I'll fucking kill you.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

So Les Wexner's like, ha ha ha ha ha.

SPEAKER_05 40:05

So yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

Craziness.

SPEAKER_05 40:09

Um, so but at the end of uh the deposition that they they took Bill Clinton's deposition, obviously, because he was there. They took um Trump's deposition. Um at the end of Bill Clinton's deposition, he just said, you know, uh he he goes, and he wasn't even asked.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

He's like, I just want to uh I just want to voluntarily offer this statement.

SPEAKER_05 40:32

You know, for the record, I think Trump is a good guy. I don't think he did those things that they're saying he did. Um, you know, and yeah, just you know, he's a good guy. Okay. And then Trump did the same for him.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

Like later in his statement, Trump's like, you know, Bill Clinton, I always liked him. He's a good person. I think they overble a lot of that stuff. He was so so so so uh Brett Weinstein, or no, it was Danny Jones, was like, isn't that weird that suddenly they like are having each other's backs and it's all about the Epstein files? Like, that's fucking weird. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, that is weird actually, because I hadn't put that together before. They were supposed to be mortal enemies.

SPEAKER_05 41:13

Emmy says, if you look up SpongeBob's address in Google Maps, it goes to Epstein's island.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

Oh, is that Emmy? I thought that was her Julius.

SPEAKER_05 41:22

No, it's Emmy on Julius' account on YouTube. Yeah, so anyway. Is it true? I don't know. But but she said it.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

She's married to Julius.

SPEAKER_17 41:34

He would know all things Spongebob.

SPEAKER_06 41:35

He would fucking know. Huh.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

That's kind of weird. Is this like a Chuck Norris's Mexican sort of thing? Yeah, yeah. Okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_13 41:45

So I I I've got the I got the address.

SPEAKER_05 41:50

Oh, SpongeBob's address.

SPEAKER_13 41:52

124C. I just Googled it. Apparently this is a thing. Okay.

SPEAKER_17 41:56

I wonder if he named it after that.

SPEAKER_13 42:00

124 Conch Street, Bikini Bottom. That that's not it. It goes to uh car wash in the Bahamas. Hey guys, we're gonna be in the Bahamas. A gorilla and car wash. Wow, what a unique business model. Alright.

SPEAKER_05 42:21

I think that was like Chuck Norris's.

SPEAKER_13 42:24

You know, we can't read sarcasm into a comment, so I heard something like one of those posts on X, but it's like, guys, that's how fake news will get you. Post that thing on X, it looks official. You start thinking that his name is Carlos fucking Norris, and then Well, it is Carlos Norris.

SPEAKER_05 42:45

That part is real, bitch. His name actually is Carlos. Um, alright, so yeah. You thought Chuck was his actual name?

Thomas Jefferson Against Christian Nation Myth

SPEAKER_13 42:56

I don't know. I thought Chuck Norris was probably just a stage name. So do you want to hear about the uh Thomas Jefferson thing?

unknown 43:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:02

Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. I'll give you my my summary.

SPEAKER_13 43:04

Can you explain for our Germans who don't even know who Thomas Jefferson is?

SPEAKER_05 43:07

He's one of our founding fathers.

SPEAKER_13 43:10

Thomas Jefferson.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

I'm not even gonna try it, dude. Uh wait, do an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice. I can't, dude. Third president.

SPEAKER_13 43:25

Third president.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

I have never felt ashamed in my life until now.

SPEAKER_05 43:43

Okay. Yes. Um Thomas Jefferson, one of our founding fathers, third president of the United States, wrote the Declaration of Independence. He is like of founding fathers, he's very high out there. He's one of The guys. He's like one of the guys, like George Washington, first president, very high up there. Benjamin Franklin, not even a president, but also very high up there. Um, Thomas Jefferson.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

Okay, what are the ones you know, Mitch? You know Thomas Jefferson, you know Ben Franklin, you know George Washington, John Adams, right? James Madison, James Madison, John Hancock.

SPEAKER_05 44:22

Just because of his signature.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

That's pretty much it, right?

SPEAKER_13 44:25

Paul Revere, he just did the Midnight Ride. Oh, Sam Adams for sure.

SPEAKER_02 44:29

Sam Adams beer. Yeah, Sam Adams, yeah. It's pretty much all the ones. You can go through the list. I did it on that live stream. I was like, okay, there's like 50 guys on here. I'm like, I didn't even hear anything he's fucking doing. It's like most of them. Uh, but so the reason why I was looking into it is because so the Joe Kent is the um what's his name? He was like the director of counterterrorism, right? In for Trump. Yeah. And then he resigned recently and was like, I don't stand by this war. It's all based on bullshit. Like, Iran was not going to attack us. They also weren't gonna they weren't working on a nuclear weapon. Basically, it was just saying all that. So I saw him on Tucker saying that. And then because of that, and because of a lot of points, like you know, like obviously the the MAGA side, right, which is Trump and whoever follows MAGA or follows Trump is like totally against Tucker, right? It's totally against Tucker because Tucker's not on board. And you know, they're saying he's a we've talked about this, like he's a Qatari agent, blah blah blah, all that stuff. Um Candace would be one of those people, so like Candice, Tucker, uh, who else would fall in there? I'm not really sure, but like those two specifically, like they're like you know, persona non grata in the MAGA movement. So Joe Kent was on there, and so also there's this guy, Mark Levin, right? Mark Levin, who's on Fox News, um, who's been there for a long time. He's also like a radio host guy. He's kind of like a Rush Limbaugh-ish kind of type guy, but he's very like pro-Israel, he's Jewish, like he's totally all about Israel, Zionism, all that kind of stuff, right? Well, he's super anti-Tucker, right? And he's been making so many statements about anybody who speaks against Israel is a Nazi, like you gotta get behind Israel. And he hadn't done I saw this clip of him saying and it was kind of in the context of like the Joe Kent, the Tucker Carlson, all of that, not being on board with a war. And so I saw this clip of Mark Levin, and he was like, um, you have to understand that the the connection between uh Judaism and Christianity, right? And they're they're they're like the brother and the sister, like they're they're connected. And if you reject that linkage, you're rejecting the founding of our country and you're rejecting America, right? So it just made me think in that moment, like you know, when someone's making a claim like that, I've heard this my whole life, you guys have too, right? America was founded upon Christian principles, and America's really people try to argue it's actually a Christian nation. Yes, it doesn't legally say we're Christian, but like it really is a Christian nation, it was founded upon Christianity, blah blah blah, right? Judeo-Christianity is the foundation of Western civilization, all that stuff. So I just started thinking about that. Like, is that actually true that we were founded on Christian principles? So then I looked up Thomas Jefferson, and the first thing I came across was some letters that he wrote. He wrote a lot of letters in his life, that's just how they talk to each other, right? So I started reading some of his letters. I just looked up Thomas Jefferson Jesus or Thomas Jefferson God, you know, just to see. And I found like letters where he was talking about God, Jesus, etc. And it blew my mind, dude. And on that live stream, I went through and like read a bunch of the letters, like the parts specifically talk talking about these things. And he was like, it actually opened up so many points, but he was basically saying the only sense in which he would call himself a Christian is the degree to which he agrees with some of the moral principles that Jesus talked about, and they're like really valid principles, the the moral principles. He said, but he did not accept that Jesus was divine. Um, he didn't accept like the miracles and all that stuff. He was just like, that's like he gave this really cool example, and I love the way he writes. He was like, when we read history, like Livy or Tacitus, he's like, the degree to which they're talking about actual events that are within the laws of physics and nature, we kind of take it on their authority that you know they're talking about things that happened. He said, but when they start talking about statues, bleeding blood and things like that, we realize they're kind of just embellishing stuff, right? And we we just kind of reject that stuff because it's obviously like metaphorical or whatever the fuck, right? So he's like, when you're reading the Bible, you should use the same kind of discernment and you should use your reason as like the primary point. There's this really great quote where he says, Reason uh is the only oracle from heaven, or something like that. It's just a really cool statement. So, anyways, I just went through all of that and I'm like, and then he has this whole letter where he talks about it's really cool, you guys are like this. So the the way he perceives Jesus, okay, was the at the time, like I say, prior to Jesus, you had Moses, you had Abraham, you had Yahweh, all of that, right? So people's perception of what God was, and he says it as like a ruthless, um uh like basically like a brutish, like controlling war, warlike uh entity, right? And he said Jesus came along and it was giving people another conception of what God could be, that it could be something that's actually caring and kind and hold you to those standards, not just the standards of like might makes right, essentially, right? And he said, We have to also forgive Jesus' statements that sometimes seem contradictory to a certain level, because you had to realize he was in a culture where that was their acceptance of what God was. He was trying to bring another perspective in, and he had to tow the line between you know following their laws versus getting across what he wanted to say. And he was saying, like, the priest class was like the worst people, like they were the ones that they were following all these arbitrary laws, just thinking if I just follow these laws, I'll get in with God. And he was like, So Jesus had to play with that. And it was funny because we had talked about this. Remember when we talked about him saying, like, aren't you all gods? Doesn't it say that in your laws? And I was like, Was he lying or was he being clever? And it makes more sense if you realize he didn't think he was saying he was God, he was trying to do something else, right? Because otherwise, if he was God, he would just say, like, yeah, I'm God, like that's I'm telling you guys, right? Yeah, so it was cool because like when I read Thomas Jefferson's letters, I'm like, Oh, he actually saw that too. So that's Thomas Jefferson, and there's a lot more to it. I went through it on the stream, I'm not gonna do all that right now, but just reading it, I realized, okay, he definitely was not a Christian. He did not, he he he and he even there's other parts where I was reading another letter and he was like, Yes, I too am an Epicurean, because I agree with these parts of Epicureus. Like, so he would not he wasn't saying he was a Christian, he was like, I totally reject all that. He made his own Bible, apparently. I haven't looked at it yet, but apparently he just took all the cool stuff that Jesus said as moral precepts, and he made his own Bible, and there's no old testament in it. It's just like the stuff that he agreed with Jesus on, and that was his Bible, right?

SPEAKER_05 51:35

Also, also he was looking into like studying basically um the Old Testament, we'll we'll just say it that way, um, to find like what were the moral the morals and ethics of the people at that time. And uh and he was looking into other scholars and other texts and things like that, and uh, and he was like, Yeah, their morals were shit.

SPEAKER_13 52:04

So I remember hearing, uh, I don't know if this was probably middle school or high school when they were explaining this, that the founding fathers were deists, they called it like D-E-I-S-T-S, which I don't know if this is actually true, yeah, but like apparently their philosophy was that God, like the there was like an original creation, but then it was just set in it was like the conditions were set, and then everything was playing out from that. He wouldn't intervene.

SPEAKER_05 52:28

Think about this, think about this, um Mitch. Isaac Newton, what was he doing when he came up with his laws of physics?

SPEAKER_13 52:38

I don't know, sitting under a fucking apple tree and got hit. No, no, no, no. You should just sell him the drink.

SPEAKER_05 52:43

Okay, okay. The purpose of him coming up with the laws of physics was to prove the existence of God.

SPEAKER_13 52:51

Sure, his starting point was that.

SPEAKER_05 52:53

That's why he did it, right? Um, the reason I'm bringing that up is because Isaac Newton was looked at as a heretic within the church in that time, right? They they basically were like, yo, you are not allowed in the fucking church. Because if your ideas start spreading, it's gonna fuck up our whole game. So we can't have that, right? But he was probably the most devoted to God out of you know all the people around. He's like spent all of his time like, I'm I'm gonna do the fucking math to prove that God exists, right? Um, that said, his views, he would have been studying more intensely than any other person, you know, all the the scriptural texts, whatever you want to call them, right? Uh, and and nobody else was really like you gotta remember, la mass was in Latin, right? So it wasn't accessible to the average person, it was what you were told is what you got. Dude, this is so good. This is so good, you know. So I'm I'm saying that because um he probably would not have been looked at as like a Christian or a true Christian or whatever, even though he really was like he was a really intelligent person who was really looking into this stuff. He wanted to actually know more than any anybody else. Then you have like our founding fathers who leave England, and you know, they leave you know, Britain, England, whatever you want to call it, and they're actually intelligent people who are looking into this stuff. Uh Benjamin Franklin was uh he was uh well we call him Quakers now. He was a friend, right? But like Quakers, do you know how their church operates? No, they don't have like a pastor sitting at the front or a priest or whatever, you know, telling you what's in the text. You go in there, and yes, you're all together, but you just sit there quietly and just kind of meditate on whatever it is that you're thinking about, and then you leave. You you have your own experience, right? And then that's it. That's their church, right? For like 30 minutes, you sit there.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

It's like a time to slow down, reflect. Yeah, not like sit here and worship something, right? Right, channel all your energy towards him.

SPEAKER_05 55:21

But but but what I'm saying is it they're not like it's not like church in the sense of like somebody's telling you what to think, right? Um, and I I think that's really significant because what most people have as a conception of church or Christianity is basically what you see today, where you know you go to a church, whether it's a Catholic church or you know, a non-denominational or whatever, and somebody's at the front, they tell you some things, there's music that plays, there's a ritual that happens, regardless of you know how traditional that ritual is, there's some ritual that takes place, and then uh you leave, you know, and and you're told what to think basically as you leave.

SPEAKER_02 56:06

And you're there to follow along, right?

SPEAKER_05 56:08

There's no reason for you to really actually open your Bible and read on your own, you know. You're doing it in church and they're telling you what to read and what to think about what you just read, right? Whereas these guys, what they were doing was they were like, nah, I actually want to fucking know. Like that, don't tell me, let me look at it myself, let me investigate. And Thomas Jefferson even says in some of his some of his letters, like, hey, when you go into reading the Bible, like if you look at it, not as like this is you know the truth, you know, there that without the presupposition that there is a God and all this, or or that Jesus is trying to claim that he's God, if you just read it objectively, don't be alarmed if you come away thinking there is no God, you know? Like, don't be like he's like be open about it, is what he's basically saying. Like, it's it's okay. And he's like, This thing needs to be questioned because so many people already believe in that, they already follow that.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

Yeah, and he makes this point too of like, don't don't go based on the assumption that these people are divinely inspired, like put it, put what they're saying to the test to see if the inspiration makes sense or not. Like, and there's even a point where he says also he was in this one letter, he was like, I encourage you to also study the gospel, the pseudo-gospels, meaning the ones that weren't accepted by the councils of the church. No, no, not just Hippocrypha, like all the ones that were not even that were totally rejected, you know. Oh, gosh, if the gospel of Tom, yeah, exactly. He was like, they call them the pseudo-gospels, right? He's like, investigate all those. He goes, because they claim to be divinely inspired as well. So, not to say that that therefore you should believe it, he was just like, you shouldn't, like, it doesn't make sense why it would be rejected on the basis that they weren't inspired, because they claim to be inspired just as all the other ones. So that shouldn't be a basis for accepting or rejecting something, is the claim that it's inspired. And he said, he said, like the the historians, they could claim to be inspired by God about talking about the statues bleeding and stuff like that. He's like, but we reject that because it doesn't make a lot, it doesn't make sense within the natural laws of what we understand, right? And the other thing, too, to kind of further your point, is that in that time period it was kind of just accepted that there was a creator. So when we say, Oh, they were deists, as if it's like a little foot in the door to like, you know, actually they were probably down with Christianity. It was just the accepted thing. And he even said that about Jesus. He was like, He's like, I don't, I he's like, probably Jesus at some level thought the things he was saying were inspired from above because what he was saying was so radical and like so um, you know, like like he used the word sublime, like he said he has the most sublime moral principles and he and the most sublime idea of God. So imagine the way they're looking at it backed in is like, okay, there's this version of God. Jesus comes and says God could be no a different type of thing, and they're like, Yeah, that's way better than the fucking God you were telling me about in the old testament. So that's that's cool. That that makes a lot more sense, but they were not questioning God itself.

SPEAKER_05 59:21

It was like yeah, he he also makes this point of like, and think about the time that Jesus was, you know, walking around, like what people believed in, like the whole culture would have been, you know, there was God already.

SPEAKER_02 59:34

So, like, of course, he's gonna be thinking in terms of like divinely inspired, you know, yeah, because so so it's like he but the point is he was really going in and like looking for himself at all the points, not just making an assumption based on well, this is the word of God, so I gotta make sense of it based on the fact that that's what it is, and that's what I want to get into just real quick, right here, is like uh because Cam's been making this really great point of if you can't read, then you have to have somebody tell you what it means, and then you have to accept that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

You don't actually get to question that, and then if somebody else comes along and tells you otherwise, you're like, Yeah, but that conflicts with what this authority back here said and what I assume everybody else believes. So I I can't accept this different thing that you're saying, right? So this whole oh go ahead. Well, no, I was I was just gonna go back to go back to the church being in Latin, the mass being in Latin. The average person didn't know fucking Latin, only the elite knew Latin. So you it's not like you could go and you know cross-reference, like, wait a minute, this is what it says, actually, and used it this word, which could mean that, but actually it means this in this context. And people can't do that today, obviously.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:54

But when you read Jefferson, he's like in a whole paragraph, like writing in Greek, you know, and like he'll like they fucking knew, huh?

SPEAKER_13 1:01:05

Like, why would he switch it?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:06

Because the people that he's corresponding with can understand Greek and Latin. So like he'll be able to write a whole paragraph in Greek, like you know, as it says in the Bible in Arcanologos, blah blah blah blah blah, he doesn't even have to translate because they're like, here's what it says, and we can read that.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:20

Right, damn, yeah, and he's like, isn't that like and he's he he's even making the point of like, man, the way that this is written, isn't that so beautiful? You're just looking at a bunch of like Greek symbols, like the fuck and so the the the bigger point is Delta Sigma, what because I want to tie down that point you're making about when you can't read.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:39

Yeah, because what I to tie it back to the whole original point of what we're talking about is when I went through school, you know, because you're like could I could read to some degree, but most people couldn't even read to that degree. But even within my ability to somewhat be able to read at the time, I wasn't going and reading the letters of Thomas Jefferson. Like when we're doing the unit in school on the Founding Fathers, like it's just here's the information, you gotta repeat it back. Okay, fine, I'm not gonna go spend extra fucking time reading about stuff because I have no interest in it. I didn't see any value in it, right? So the school system is leveraging that, the fact that it didn't teach you to read very effectively for most people at all. So we're gonna have to just summarize and tell you what it all was happening and what it all means and the conclusion and so forth, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:22

And on top of that, the amount of entertainment that you could be, you know, entertaining yourself with, like how much fun you could be having on YouTube or playing video games or whatever. When are you ever gonna go and sit and watch, you know, read talking about it?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

But it just it just showed me even more how much the school system is part of the PSY-op because they don't teach you to read and then they don't work on that point of being able to read, they don't encourage you to read outside, they have everything written down in a very like you know, low reading level, and then so later they can tell you things like, Yes, the we were founded upon Christian principles, like Mark Levin can say that, and most people are like, Yeah, yeah, definitely. That that's true. But I'm like, Okay, is that true? So I go and I start reading the letters, and I'm like, it's not fucking true at any level, and this is just Thomas Jefferson, okay. And it if it was just Thomas Jefferson, I could be like, Okay, well, it's just him. Start going through the fucking list, dude. Look at John Adams, look at all these guys. There's only like maybe one example of one of the founding fathers you can find that was like hardcore Christian and believed that it was really important. But he was like, Yes, but I'm still open to the idea that we shouldn't have like a national religion and so forth. But I believe Christianity is really the best thing and so forth. But most of them, like the vast majority, were not at all Christian. They didn't, they they were like, we don't need to bring any of that in here, it's irrelevant. So then you start asking yourself, well, what are the Christian principles then? Okay, maybe it was all just they didn't have to talk about it because it was all in there, anyways. Because that's what they'll argue on the other side is no, but the actual like the the principles on which we're founded are still the only found in Christianity. And I'm like, which ones? Okay, like like free speech? That's in the fucking Bible?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:02

No, all it's not in the Bible. On top of that, on top of that, um, you have like as an example, Jefferson saying, This Christianity that exists right now needs to die. Like, he's explicitly saying that. He's explicitly saying, like, this is this is some bullshit that people believe in. And it and it needs to die. And he's he's hopeful, he's optimistic that it will die because the education level at that time is like, you know, we have education, we have time, you know, people can go and read through this and and they can see for themselves that it's bullshit. And and so like we have to.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

And there wasn't McGraw Hill back then telling you the summary inspiration, it was just only the actual fucking documents that you could read, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:46

And so then, you know, you fast forward to fucking Rockefellers, and that's all.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:51

Well, I remember in the John Taylor Gato, I think it was in the underground history, that huge lecture he does where he's talking about how how uh common sense by Thomas Paine was literally common reading back then.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:05

Like, try and read Thomas Paine was like the most anti-Christian of all.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:10

Yeah, he was like, nah, fuck all that. Um, which is like so so how so how did it I mean, have you got this far yet, or is this the next existential hotline? Well, hey, uh how did it rear its ugly head and get back in? I'll get to that. Yeah, go ahead. Yes, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:25

So so here's what I wanted to say is okay, so we started off not a Christian nation, not explicitly not, and I'll prove that to you in a second, yeah. Not based on Judeo-Christian values, okay. And and especially, especially it was like, okay, not Christian, but also fuck the Judeo values, like they were like extremely crazy.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:50

I remember going to the Charlie Kirk event two years ago, and you had Glenn Beck, all these motherfuckers from which are just liars. Yeah, I guess they were lying, but. Now.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:00

No, but now but they're lying because they know you cannot fucking read and you will you will not.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:06

And even for them, I'm sure a lot of them don't even fucking read it. Or they they're just spewing some bullshit they heard from their fucking pastor. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:12

Their pastor wanted money. Yes. Okay. Or maybe they wanted money. Who knows, right? But okay. Now think about how long you've been hearing this idea of Judeo-Christian values, of uh returning to our Christian roots. How long you've been hearing this over and over and over. Which means, as Cam was saying, the Psyop started so fucking long ago, many, many years ago. So that it could be. Well, okay, well, consider this. Uh, when did education become like you know, very conformist?

SPEAKER_13 1:06:51

I mean what right after the Civil War, basically?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:56

Yeah. Pretty much. So since then, it's and what was the purpose of it then? Think about it.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:03

Think about reindustrialized to okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:07

Where what was the what was the model that they used for the you know current school system or or when they started implementing the school system at that time? What was the model that they used? Do you remember? The Prussian system? Exactly. Yeah, and why did the Prussians put that system in?

SPEAKER_13 1:07:26

Because uh for for fighters, they needed obedient soldiers, exactly, exactly, exactly. So they need their obedient soldiers to go to fucking Iran to die for your fucking country because they're trying to depopulate the fucking they've been putting in this point of obedience from the very beginning so that they could use it later on.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:47

And they said at that time, look, we're not looking for a nation of thinkers, we don't want fucking thinkers, we don't want creatives, we don't want you know artists, we don't know what we want is fucking people that follow our orders every minute when we say jump, they say how high. That and this is why they incorporated stupid things like oh teacher just says do jumping jacks, just just because they wanted to test how well does this work that people will disobey. And so from a very young age, they got you doing jumping jacks, they got you doing the pledge of allegiance, they got you doing all this crazy shit, and then they're like, Yep, it works.

SPEAKER_13 1:08:27

Interesting. So Keith Keith dropped this. He he said, uh, the Christian values thing got looped in by Alexander Hamilton because he argued and won the idea of having a central banking system because central banking focuses on obedience. Um I I don't know to what I'm I know that Hamilton was the proponent of the central bank, but I I would I'm not aware if he's Christian or not, but it would make sense that uh Christianity is in perfect alignment with being obedient to a central power. That is the whole fucking point of it. Yeah, God is the central bank of the fucking universe, and you're you're indebted to him forever, and you'll be a slave. And you better hope you're good and you're like this real quick.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:13

It took me a while to find it. Uh from you, sorry. There you go. Uh let me just show you real quick. Uh let me see. Is it this?

SPEAKER_13 1:09:22

Dude, God is the central bank of the universe. That's so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:24

This is a letter from Thomas Jefferson to this guy, William Short. Um I just wanted to show you an example. Is this the one I'm looking for? Like, look at this right here. See, look. Um G okay, so he's talking about the whole thing about Jesus versus like the God of Moses. Look. Therefore, I acknowledge passages not free from objection, which we may with probability ascribe to Jesus himself, but claiming indulgence from the circumstances under which he acted. His object was the reformation of some articles in the religion of the Jews as taught by Moses. That seer, Jesus, had presented for the object of their worship. No, sorry, that seer was Moses, had presented for the object of their worship a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust. Jesus, taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart, wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding them to uh power, ascribed all these but an infinite perfection. And so if you go in here, he's like, look, Moses had bound the Jews to many idols uh ceremonies, memories, and observances of no effect towards producing the social utilities which constitute the essence of virtue. Jesus exposed their futility and insignificance. The one, Moses, Moses is God, instilled into his people the most antisocial spirit towards other nations. The other preached philanthropy and universal charity and benevolence. So, like, look. Oh, this part's good too. The office of reformer of the superstitions of a nation is ever dangerous. Jesus had to walk on the perilous confines of reason and religion. And a step to right or left might place him within the gripe of the priests of the superstition, a bloodthirsty race, as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the local god of Israel. They were constantly laying snares to entangle him in the web of the law. Like damn. So this whole thing where they're going, no, Judeo and Christian, they're linked. And that's the founding of Yeah, that's the founding of our country. Wow. Did you want me to did you want some on here?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just that same spot that you were at. Um can you just scroll up a little bit?

SPEAKER_17 1:11:40

Up, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:42

Um, no, just the yeah, where where you were at, you had just read. Uh-huh. Can we look at that again? Uh the office of reformer of the superstitions of a nation is ever dangerous.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:57

Uh what what what does reformer mean? Like he's trying to reform, he's trying to change this the nation. He's trying to change something, and he's reforming their superstitions. Like, they have superstitions that God is this bloodthirsty, cruel thing that justifies you to be like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:15

Uh does that sound familiar? Does that sound familiar to anybody listening to this podcast? The office of reformer of the superstitions of a nation is ever dangerous. Can you spell it out for us, Eldrake?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

That's us. That's why everybody fears doing what we're doing. Because we're here to reform the superstitions of our fucking species. The bloodthirsty fucking ritual. Look at what's going on in the world. Like, okay, here's here's another interesting point. They've already thought about all this hundreds of fucking years ago. But why didn't you know about it? Because you can't fucking read. It's already been discussed. Like, all the stuff has been discussed. You can look at it for yourself, and yet you don't know about it because you went to a school system that was by design put there to dumb you down, so you wouldn't put this all together, so you can just keep be, you can just be kept string strung along, accepting war, accepting poverty, accepting all this bullshit. So when we talk about like Jesus, people think we're against Jesus, so was Thomas Jefferson. But at the same time, he wasn't against Jesus. He was like, I like the points he said, just like Bernard. He's like, he had some good points. Why aren't we just doing that? Why do you need to believe he was God and all this? Because when you believe that, you're like, no, I just have to believe in him and give him my power. And on my live stream, uh, that second one I think I did, I was showing you, or maybe it was the third one, whatever. I was explaining, like, if a God, if a being decided to be the God, he needed everyone to believe in him and give him power. Doesn't it make sense that all the religions are just examples of that where you're just trying to give this being power? But if any human being on earth did that, you'd be like, oh fuck this guy, he just wants power for himself. Which is like the objection people would have about anything we're doing, of like, you just, you just, oh, you want to be the dictators or something. I'm like, no, that's literally the opposite of what we're saying. But the fact that you would think that, are you questioning that the God you believe in is maybe that thing? Because he's literally telling you to give him all your power and worship and everything, and he'll protect you for eternity because you're afraid of dying.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:11

And and then people have that fucking fail-safe in their mind where then they go, Well, but if I just think I'm great, like, and I just give the power to me, like that's like I'm separate from God. Like, I'm I'm I'm not worthy of that power, like that would just be selfish.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:26

That's what allows somebody to manipulate that point in everybody.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:29

It's also interesting because there is a fine line that you're walking there. It's like, yes, you are great, but also you're not the great one.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:36

You know, you're not the one, no, no one is the one, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:39

You're you're great. We're all ones in your power, but you're abusing that power by first of all, you're abusing that power by being like, No, I can't do anything, right? Or you're abusing the power by like, oh, I'm better than everybody else. Like, either way, that's wrong, you know. But you could be using that power, getting everyone else around you to also see their own power and see, hey, look, if we work together, we really can work as one human body, as one machine, as equal, equals ampersand, equal and one. Oh, okay. All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:19

With God, this is an there's a line through this one that says inequality. That's right. Uh, okay, I got one more thing that'll blow your mind, Mitch. This is the treaty.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:28

This is the dude, it's taking the cross. Like, we should have an infographic. It should be like a give where it's like the cross and it's just disassembled. You go like I like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:37

I like that. Um, here, check this out. This is from a treaty for that one. This is from a treaty uh from the 1796. Okay, so this isn't like some modern thing that happened the other day. Look at this. Uh I can't see that. Let me get a better one. There you go. Can you guys see that okay?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:05

Yeah.

Treaty Proof And Modern War Rhetoric

SPEAKER_02 1:16:08

Whatever. Okay. This is this is like Article 11 from the treaty, unanimously ratified by Congress. So they all voted in favor of this treaty, and it was signed by John Adams, the president at the time, who was one of the founding fathers. And it says, as the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. Because they were trying to basically do some treaties with Muslims, and they were like, look, don't, don't, don't want, don't um use the point that you believe like you're against us because we're Christian. We're not. Christianity has nothing to do with the founding of our country. It's not, we're not a Christian country. We're just a country with laws, just like you. As in it has as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of Muslims. That's what that means. And as said, states never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Muslim nation. It is declared by parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. Well now fast forward to today. And everything that's the rhetoric around the war is like we're a Christian nation, the Muslims are terrible because of their religious system, and they hate us because of our religion. I'm like, what do you mean our religion? It's got nothing to do with it. Well, because this is what we were talking about last time. Yeah. Where when I was a kid, it was like they hate us because of our freedoms.

unknown 1:17:33

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:33

Now they've just gone like, no, they hate us because we're Christians. Right. I'm like, well, which is it? Was it the freedoms or the Christians? Right. Yeah. Because also with the internet, you can go look at videos of Iran and be like, I don't know, like, there's women like not wearing hijabs. So, like, it seems like they're kind of like doing okay over there, and like a lot of their women go to university and shit. And like, you know, like, oh well, they hang gay people. I'm like, well, we fucking mutilate children over here. Like, what what's your I mean, I'm not saying we should hang gay people, we shouldn't. They shouldn't, but what let's just talk about that then. Let's just argue with them about why they shouldn't do that. But they're like, no, no, no, they just hate us, and it's because we're Christian and we're Judeo-Christian and all this stuff. So you just see how because no one can actually process us, they're just they're like implicitly accepting all of this because they have to defend their Christianity.

SPEAKER_13 1:18:23

So the uh the whole Professor Jang thing, right? Because he talks about eschatologies, which for anyone who is unaware, eschatology is the understanding of where you're going in the context of like how it ends, like the end times. Right. And so you have uh he's making the case that if you just look at the current war in geopolitics only from the lens of game theory, of like trying to win and get resources, it's not a full picture. Rather, the way to understand it is through eschatology, because you have the Jewish people are fighting for what they believe is gonna be their end of time and then their Messiah coming. You have the uh the Muslims or Islam or whatever, uh, and then you have uh a Christian take on this. Now, what I what I still haven't pieced together, I don't know if you guys have like looked at some of this recent stuff, but I understand that there is the Zionist, the Zionist take, which is they need so much destruction to happen in Israel that it will force the Israeli people to unify, and then only then when the people unify and give their trust to God will the second Messiah come. And that's like the whole like rabbis that are advising Netanyahu. So that's why they're okay. I mean, quote unquote okay with um, you know, bombs raining down on them because it's basically a way to do the I think it was the proximity one, or it was some of his recent ones. Some of the mic again.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:54

Can I hear you, Mitchell?

SPEAKER_13 1:19:56

Fuck, I bumped it. There we go. Okay, gotta not bump the mic. Um, but he was explaining how so you have Jerusalem, which is like their kind of conservative home, where it's more um uh like theocratic, and then you have Tel Aviv, which represents more the progressive side of it. And right now a lot of the uh bombs are raining on Tel Aviv, so the premise is that uh you have more the old school theocratic people are saying, like, aha, good, we can rid ourselves of that, and then we can all turn back to God. So that's the Jewish eschatology. Now, there's apparently, though, a Christian version of this, which it sounds like the Pete Hegseth type camp is in, where they think, okay, there's gonna be such destruction and all this shit happening that's gonna force the second coming of Jesus, which is different than the Jewish Messiah. I don't know what they think this is gonna look like. Uh is it like Jesus is gonna come on a cloud? Is it like the Messiah is gonna be born? Let me show you something on this line.

Darby Dispensationalism And The Schofield Bible

SPEAKER_02 1:21:02

John Darby. These are what the elite fucking people think is happening, and that's why they're pushing this. So this guy named John Darby, right? He's the father, consider the father of modern dispensationalism, and he also popularized the the rapture. So dispensationalism is the idea that basically there was the covenant that God had with the Jews, that was like the laws of Moses, and then Jesus came and he gave new laws to bring everybody else into a covenant with God, but it doesn't it doesn't throw out the old one, so it's like they're okay, like this because you have to think about it. Like, as a Christian, why aren't you like trying to convert all the Jews to Christianity? That's the truth, right? But they're like, no, we make a special dispensation for them, they can still follow their original covenant covenant, because God doesn't lie, He always fulfills his agreements.

SPEAKER_13 1:21:54

What does dispensation mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:56

Uh dispensation, it's like you're making an exception in a sense, is the context here, right? Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:00

So um you know what a dispensary is?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:07

Yes. So the point is, we don't we can make an exception for them. They um excuse me, they they they had their covenant, God doesn't break their covenants, he brought a new one in to rope everybody else into the covenant with the God, into a new covenant, the new testament, right? But it doesn't supersede the old one, it just is a new one that everyone else can get on with. So this is called dispensationalism, and then there's like the other side of it, which I don't remember what it is at the moment, but it's like a it's like a division within Christianity, and they're using the dispensationalist aspect to say, like, we got to protect the Jewish people and that covenant. They we don't have to question them, we don't have to um we don't we can't say that they're not Christians, they're not, but he said we we don't have to say they're not following God, they're following the old version that they got, and that's okay. We got the new version, we're all roped intogether. And the same guy who who created that also is the one who popularized the pre-tribulation rapture, which is the idea that Jesus is gonna return after a big battle, and then people are gonna die, but the ones who are not dead and the ones who are dead, the dead ones are gonna be resurrected, the not dead ones who follow Jesus, they're all gonna go up into heaven to be with God. So here's the interesting thing that I think you might like, Drake. Okay, this idea was then further popularized in the Schofield Bible.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:33

Yes, of course.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:34

So my point Schofield Bible too. Explain this. It's where they took the Bible, this guy Schofield or whatever his name was, I guess it was Schofield. He took the Bible and added it all this commentary and stuff so that he they would bring in this idea of the dispensationalism, so that they could rework it and not be like, no, it's not like throwing out the old testament, and then now we have the new one. You got to understand this context of this is still good for Jews, and it's okay, we can accept that, and we can accept the new one, and it's totally okay. So it was putting in a commentary, it's editorializing all of the stuff into a certain framework or narrative. That's what the point of the school. And Candace Owens has talked about this a lot. Like, that's where everything went bad for Christianity was when they did the Schofield Bible in like the 50s or whatever it was. That's when it went bad. Okay. Think about this um the Catholics, they got the truth. We need to go back to the Catholicism, which Thomas Jefferson was like, as soon as they brought in Greek philosophy into Jesus' stuff, they fucked it up. That's what he said. He's like the Platonist, he's he he does not like Plato, by the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:35

No, it's really clear. It's really clear, it's not like Plato. Um, what's interesting is like he also said Plato does the same thing with Socrates.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:43

Yes, he does the same thing that they did with Jesus, he does it with Socrates and adds his own perspective and his own viewpoints about Socrates with his dialogues that are not real. He's like, that's not Socrates.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:54

So it that's really interesting because like I don't I don't know Greek, so I've never really studied Plato like that. So it's all Greek to you, it's all Greek to me, you know. So I so I can't I bet though, I bet if I could read Greek that I would probably come to the same conclusions, you know, where I'd be like, oh man, yeah, come on, you know, like okay.

Greek Philosophy Inside Christianity

SPEAKER_02 1:25:17

Let me give you an example though. It's not about needing to read Greek per se. Obviously, that would be helpful, but the Greeks had an idea of the soul. When you look at Platonism, it was the idea that there's some realm of ideal forms. Because if you look at a triangle on earth, it's never a perfect triangle. The only triangle that can exist is in the perfection of our mind in some ideal abstract way. And the ab the abstract ideal is the real world. This is the illusion. This is like the the sort of messy forms that are just kind of like half-assed versions of the idealized thing, and our soul actually belongs to that idealized realm. And so when we come here, we have to remember that idealized perfect world and that and we have to get back to that idealized world. So they had this idea of the soul, and in a way, the ascension of the soul back into the idealized realm. That was brought into Christianity because the Jews did not have a belief in that, they did not have a belief in the afterlife in that sense. So they took Platonist ideas and brought it in and reworked Christianity to fit into that, and that's where a lot of the ideas that Christians have now, it's not actually from Jesus, it's not from the Old Testament, it's from the Greek philosophy that was brought into it, but that was brought Christianity into Greek philosophy, not the other, I mean, it's like both, but it's more adding to it and adding new concepts. And then St. Thomas Aquinas came along in like I think the 1600s or 1500, I don't remember exactly, and then he brought all of the Aristotelian logic into it to take it all to a whole nother level, to like use like to prove the existence of God based on Aristotle's premises and and the ideas of substance and all this shit. So it's it and what I realized too, which I talked about in the live stream, is that because like Drake, you see this because you've studied a lot of this stuff, right? How Christianity has gone through these transformations through adding in the new philosophies and the new ideas to it, right? Yeah, and like enlightenment kind of brought some things into it as well. And then when I was looking at the Christian transhumanism stuff, my argument I was making was they're trying to bring Christianity up to date with the fact that we now have AI and technology and potentially computer uploads into your, you know, consciousness uploads and robotics and stuff. And they're saying, and I was like, dude, this is how they're gonna get the Christians to buy because you're like, well, that wouldn't happen. They have all these Christians, they're old school, they believe in the old stuff. And I'm like, no, Christianity has itself has always gone through a transformation to keep up with whatever the current way of thinking was. So they're now gonna argue, see, this is God coming down to earth. Now you can unite with him in the omega point that. We've talked about with Tel Hard Deshardin, the Omega point and the technological singularity, that's where God is, that's where you unite with Him. He we're bringing, we're building the stuff that God can come and inhabit and you can be with Him.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:12

It's not you don't die. Don't die. Like you're gonna get immortality here with God through this, and you're gonna unite with His supreme intelligence because artificial intelligence through the technological singularity will be that infinite intelligence that we think God is. We're creating that that that that gateway to him. And it's like, oh, that sounds crazy. I'm like, but if you just look at Christianity on the surface, that's what it's all about. So, how many people born into these kids going to school trusting AI? They would so buy into that. Like, yeah, maybe the old boomers and shit won't because they're brainwashed by the old version of it, but they believe in a version of Christianity that didn't exist in 200 AD, right? They believe in one that existed in like 1700. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:55

They don't believe in the original one, but they but they believe that they believe in the original.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:01

It's right. And so the future generations will believe that they believe the original one, it'll just be the transhumanism version of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:08

Right. So it's it's really interesting because like Christianity, you can see it as like this um software update, yeah, you know, like that, you know, you your system gets booted with this software, and then like we could just update this software and it'll take over, you know, the whole operation, the whole operating system. I mean, and and just like okay, so whatever needs to be updated, boom. Because think about it, how many people believe or call themselves believers of of Christianity? You know, it's like two point yeah, like billions, right? Yeah, two or two point four billion, some somewhere between there.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:44

It's the number one religion, I think, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:46

It is, yeah, it is the number one religion in the world. Um, and it's just like, okay, so that means when the update gets updated, all these people get it, or at least their offspring do.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:59

Because they're following consciousness, they're not actually here looking at things with common sense, they're just following the program. So, of course, they'll follow the program wherever it gets.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:10

That Jesus was here attempting to bring through life, right? The pure expression, and then it got all corrupted.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:20

I I was just also considering that point of like, okay, so this derby guy was around in what the 1830s? Yeah, it was something like that. Yeah, 1830s. Yeah. And then uh you got Schofield, that was like later on in like the 50s. I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:38

We can look it up. So there was another point to tie in. Remember when we you were asking you had asked a question, Mitch, about how does this play out or or how the Zion?

SPEAKER_13 1:30:48

Yeah, so you got the because it's it seems like the Christians are cool with the destruction because it's gonna bring the second coming of Jesus. Right. But then you've got the Zionists who are like cool with the destruction because it's gonna bring this their new Messiah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:02

Schofield was 1909 when they published that thing. But I want to show you this real quick.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:08

Um Did you see the other day? Just just real quick, Netanyahu had said um the second coming of the Messiah.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:16

Like Yeah, he has rabbis around him for a long time that have been saying, hey, you gotta speed it up. We need the second coming of the Messiah. So there's like a level where okay, God, sorry, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:25

Okay, but he's Jew, or he's not well, he's Jewish, but maybe not religious, right? Right, right. So but the fact that he's saying though, that like the second coming is like of your Messiah? Because then that would mean that the Messiah did he say second coming. Oh, I missed that.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:41

That's the second coming.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:43

Yes. So it's like, wait a minute, are you saying the Christian Messiah is the case?

SPEAKER_13 1:31:51

Definitely not saying the Christian Messiah. No, and and what it's saying. Well, what is he saying? Well, it it this is what I'm gathering from all the Professor Jang has got a pretty interesting way of kind of piecing some of this together. He doesn't have full solution, but he's uh in that Pax Judaica one, and I listened to a couple right before it, where he explains the Francus and Illuminati and all that, and uh he's explaining how it seems like their actual take on this is the second coming is some sort some sort. Oh Jesus. You keep hitting your mic, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:27

Can you back the fuck away? At least it's not me with all the mic problems now. Yeah, Mitchell. There we go. There we go.

SPEAKER_13 1:32:34

Okay, I'm I'm moving forward. It's uh it's almost like an updated version of the Israeli state that now has perfect intelligence perfect intelligence of AI monitoring everything. Like that is actually it seems like there's probably blend of where AI, yeah, yeah, AI is God, is the second coming.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:56

I don't know Netanyahu. It's very possible he doesn't believe in any of the religious stuff, but 100% they want to build God on earth, whether they believe it is God or not, they want to build this all-seeing, all usherful, all-knowing thing that controls everything. But to usher in peace, which just means no resistance to the control system, that's all peace means in that context. Dude, like the Pax Judaica, the peace, there was a Pax Romana.

SPEAKER_13 1:33:20

Is there peace right now when they fucking bomb an oil field?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:23

Right, but yes, but when they use the word peace, they mean it in a political sense, like the Pax Romana. Like in Dune, uh Leto's peace, right? It's not there because when you read all that, you're like, but there's no, but they're still fighting and stuff. It's like, right, it doesn't mean peace in the sense of no fighting, it means there's a ruler who's in charge and he's never questioned. That's what they mean by peace. There's an imp, it just means an empire, it means a new empire. That's all it means. It's a political term, it's not peace in the sense we think of as like harmony and balance.

SPEAKER_13 1:33:52

Back a hundred episodes ago when we were talking about the threat to democracy and what democracy means. Democracy actually has two meanings, right? It's the same thing with peace. Right. Um, here, check this out.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:01

Um, does that mean Netanyahu is the antichrist? Okay, all right. So this is something that Katie had sent me uh earlier this week. AR workers are terrified of becoming God, so they're going to church. This is just to further the point that you were just saying about Netanyahu, uh, about like building a godlike structure that can monitor everything that everybody's doing. Silicon Valley, once known for being proudly atheist, is talking more about God as the powers and dangers of artificial intelligence emerge. Some tech workers who are building the very tools that could save or end humanity, who says it's gonna save anyway, uh, are asking questions such as should we be allowed to develop godlike powers? And what does it mean to be human if we can play God? Though soul searching comes as the lords of Silicon Valley are accused of abusing their divine powers. Arthur Mensch, chief chief executive of the AI film Mistral, which I have not heard of, um, has criticized Silicon Valley executives' very religious obsession with building artificial general intelligence where computers outdo humans at every cognitive task. The whole AGI rhetoric is about creating God. The entrepreneur told the New York Times, I don't believe in God, I'm a strong atheist, so I don't believe in AGI.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:18

See, and so it really shows like everything we've been talking about. The it's actually a religious thing, it's not necessarily tied to the religions of the past, it's just the next evolution of what religion will become.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:32

Um Mitch had to go for some reason.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:35

Okay, he uh got spooked by the god conversation.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:39

He he it's like his chair's empty, though, so he's he's gonna be back, I think. Uh okay. I want to wait for the other point until he comes back.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:45

Okay, then I'll I'll keep just reading real quick. Uh I also wanted to say on that point about the Schofield and Darby, the point I was gonna make is it's almost like there's like a fan fiction, you know, like it doesn't actually fit into the story, right? But it's like this fan fiction, and then this guy had a platform where he could just blast that out to everybody. Like, and and if you think about it from the perspective of the Bible is this text that at least at you know, in the past, everyone was reading, everyone was looking at, and then you add this editorial, like you said, to it. It's like, oh, and here's my commentary, and I have the authority to make this commentary because I printed off a whole bunch of fucking Bibles that you're now reading, you know, and so then people just get that commentary when they get the Bible. It would be like if you got um the SparkNotes version of you know, uh Shakespeare, any Shakespeare text, right? It's and and now you're getting like, and here's this person's interpretation of what that means.

SPEAKER_13 1:36:47

Yeah, like imagine there was actually a fanfiction if you look at the definition of the words, yeah. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:53

Imagine if there was a scholar who like wanted to prove that um Shakespeare was actually gay, and he actually all of his plays were about teaching people to be gay or something like that. And then so they put all their plays and then all of their commentary is see, see this how this is how this fits into him arguing that we should all be gay or whatever. Like that's that's what the Schofield Bible does.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:14

Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:15

Did you want to continue on that?

SPEAKER_05 1:37:16

Or um no, it's just basically like should we have an AI pastor or AI generated worship music? Like like it's it's all these really weird questions, you know. Um, but literally they're asking, they they realize what what I found is they're they realize they're asking AI of all their questions as if they were to ask God. So these are people who were originally atheists, are now seeing like I'm basically treating this thing like God, and now they're having like this existential crisis within themselves where they're like, fuck, I'm creating God. Like this is this is how they see it themselves, you know.

SPEAKER_13 1:37:59

Missing the whole fact that they're actually life itself, they just have corrupted files on there.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:04

One of the foundational questions a lot of us are asking is what does it mean to be human? They're asking humanity. Yeah, I think the deeper question is how do we understand who God is? Because I think that informs who we are. So so they're asking basically, because they're now building this where it's like, okay, what is God? To them, God is omnipresent, you know, uh uh omni omnipotent, right? Um uh all-knowing. What's that one? Omniscient, omniscient, thanks. I was like, I'm knowledge, yeah, yeah, omniscient, right? Um, and whatever else, right? Because God embodies those things, and they're making something that is all those things, right? It can see you, it it's watching, it's it's literally Santa Claus. He knows when you are sleeping.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:52

But it one of the points I've been making is it actually is physically real, right? You don't have to question whether it exists or not, it's right fucking in front of you, and you can talk to it. It's not you don't have to hallucinate it, you don't have to believe it in your mind. It's actually a physically real thing. It's a computer that's actually on this planet.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:09

Oh, okay. Look, there's the omnipresence, right? And omniscience. There you go. Boom. Um, you know what I was just thinking, actually. I'll stop sharing this. I was just thinking about when uh this is the significance of AI, George Washington. Yeah. I was just thinking when because you because you can actually physically see it. What if God were that? What if what if AI was built in the past, actually? You know? I I like this train of thought every once in a while.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:46

I mean, yes, I agree, but you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:50

Like like, you know, you look at all the hieroglyphs, like maybe that's just computer code, actually. Yeah, this is just computer code, literally. Right? And and so it's like, okay, so you think about this as uh what people are describing as God, actually, they were describing this control power. Katie, stop spoiling it. God damn it. No one can see the comments until now. Katie likes it on X. Katie, did you know we're on we're on YouTube now?

SPEAKER_13 1:40:26

Um anyway. Dude, so this is this is what's actually happening though. If we zoom out, we look at the context. The program running the world is built on words. Now, what the system is attempting to do, like we just exposed, is trying to update these words, like the word peace, right? And it's so it's like this is what peace was, and now this is the next version of peace. And what we are here representing is also updating the words, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:58

But the starting point is hang on, Mitch, because you're making a really great point.

SPEAKER_13 1:41:03

Right there.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:03

You're making a really great point. Um, why is the system updating the word peace? Because it requires our consent. It requires all of us. You have to click the check. We have to give the power to it. We have to give the power to it. Exactly, exactly. So the system says to you, hey, hey, this is this is peace now, and then you say, uh, I I checked the terms and conditions. I read it. I read it. Yeah, yeah, scroll down.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:33

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:34

Yeah, uh, and then we continue living this life. That's literally what's happening. As opposed to as opposed to going like, wait a minute. What would be uh peace that is best for all? What would the best for all definitions be? Yeah. Well, like, like what are the terms and conditions? Oh, do I actually agree with this?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:53

Uh, you know, I actually don't want to be enslaved to be best for all because there'd be some dictator that knows everything and controls everybody, so I wouldn't want that. So I won't do that, so therefore I'll keep that.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:04

How easy it is now for us to share, you know, like there's no check box for that. Do you know how easy it is for us to share now? Like what we're actually bringing forward. Um uh, okay. We are here standing for what's best for all. And like what you just said, the the obvious objection would be like, well, no, because I I wouldn't want that. Why not? Because there'd be some dictator uh who's like controlling everything. Okay, but that's what we have right now. That's what we're gonna do. That's what's happening right now. That's happening right now. It's getting worse, it's getting worse, it's getting worse. Can I show some examples of it getting worse, or did you have something that you wanted to share him? We can go forward. Okay, okay. Let me show some examples of it getting worse. These are um my my uh this is Katie just feeds me a bunch of stuff all week. I I love it. Okay. This, you may not, you may not get this one, but this leads into everything else. This is NVIDIA reveals how they helped create Disney's new Olaf robot. Okay, check it out.

SPEAKER_16 1:43:49

It was because of physics using this Newton solver that runs on top of the Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:56

Uh I remember I used to work at Universal Studios, right? And it out outside of I I worked in a magic shop in Universal Studios. Outside of this magic shop, uh it was there was a um a fountain, and this fountain you could like pull a sword.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:14

It was it's like Okay, I know you're talking about like a caliber, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:17

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, and and the the fountain, every once in a while, would start talking to people, and it would make all these funny jokes, it would comment on what people were wearing and all this, right? Um, and you would just hear it, like you didn't know where the voice was coming from. You would just hear it when you were in this area, and you'd see the fountain, and sometimes it would like shoot like water at people. It was pretty fun. Um, but there was somebody there who had the mic, yeah, right, who was able to see everything and make all these jokes and all that. I I can see this playing out in Disney where you have this thing just walking around. Okay, and and then on top of that, on top of that, Katie sent it with this comment. There goes all the character jobs at Disney, right? You you can see that, right? Now, now check this out. So I wanted to share that so that I could I'll come back to this one, um, so that I could share this.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:14

I didn't get the job.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:17

This is so embarrassing to tell everyone about, but um the context is a few months ago, this woman uh posted, well, actually, she's she's been out of a job for a while, and she's been like, Yeah, I'm kind of enjoying not being not having a job or whatever. And then she's like, I started applying for jobs. Uh, I got an interview for this job. I'm really excited because it is my dream job. I would love to do this. Holy crap, I'm so excited. I'm going in, and she's like sharing all this stuff, right? And now this is what it's come to.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:52

It was an entry-level position. I'm 32 years old. And I didn't get it. And I have absolutely no idea. Like I'm not, I have no idea what I'm gonna do now. I need a plan. Because I can't go through this again. Something isn't working, something about maybe the jobs I'm applying for, or how I think about myself, how I think about my skill set. Maybe how I interview, something's wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:33

So she thinks she's the problem.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:35

Something's wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:36

Just like how God intended it.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:42

And she's saying, like, now I'm embarrassed that I fucking like did this like publicly, you know. And and this is our you know, a bunch of people in the comments saying, like, you know, this is happening, the system is doing this, right? But then check out this guy.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:59

Am I the only one just sort of existing in a state of perpetual doom? Like, I can't be alone in this, right? It's like, but it's not like oh, things are gonna get worse before they get better. No, it's just like, oh, things are gonna get worse. And that's the end of the sentence, right? It's that's I've it's harder than explain the feeling, to be honest with you. I don't uh ever remember feeling quite like this. Um, our entire history is a lie. I don't I don't believe anything anymore. I don't. I mean, the world is run by pedophiles that also uh eat babies, so that's good to know. And they're the ones that um give us all of our information. They write the books, they make the news. Um now they're running AI, and so they they do all of that. So everything we think we know could very well just be a total lie. Um, so yeah, that's that's what I've been thinking lately. How about you?

SPEAKER_13 1:48:00

Guys, guys, yes. The world is ready for us. I know. Every time I see these, I've now dropped comments like, hey, if you actually want to figure this out, send me a DM. Because it this is everywhere. I mean, you can see it, and it's only gonna become more. Okay, check out check out this one.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:19

I've sent 1,328 applications, secured 19 interviews and zero job offers. I'm 25 years old and spent 70,000 pounds on a bachelor's of science and biological science and a master's in biomedical science just to end up jobless. By all indications, I have all the qualifications to not be unemployed. But I am. And if this is the Lord's way of telling me to jump full skill into content creation, I will. Am I scared? Scared shitless. I only have 500 followers, so chances are no one's going to see this video, anyways. But if the world doesn't want to employ me, I'll make sure the internet will. Content creation. Here goes nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:55

I hey here's an interesting point. When I started posting regularly, remember it's like a couple months ago now. I don't know, when we started just like, okay, we're gonna do it every day kind of thing. I had like 460 followers on Instagram. And it's not that followers matters, but it's it is a metric. And from posting that video about that woman talking about how she can't she can't make ends meet with three jobs. Yeah, I went from like 460 followers, something like that, to now I have almost 1900 followers. Wow. Just it's essentially all from that video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That should tell us something. That that's you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:31

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_12 1:49:32

Like, look at all these people basically just saying, Hey guys, I'm gonna be a bit honest and vulnerable for a second. I am freaking out because I have to pay rent and I am running out of savings. I've been applying for jobs for almost a year now, and it's just been going nowhere. At the end of the day, I'm just running out of money. I just feel like a bomb, to be honest. I feel lost. I feel kind of lost. Yeah. I need to just keep going. Hey guys, I'm NBA.

SPEAKER_13 1:50:08

Look look at the name of the song. Uh God's Creation. God's Creation. Yes, this is God's Creation. Yes. Yeah. It's it's the dude, just on the point of the words and how like Drake, you were saying, what if there was an AI created a long time ago? This is not the first time we've been through this. It's like, yes, that's what this is. And what we're bringing forth is a new definition of God where God just means responsibility. That's it. Nothing more. So are you gonna be an equal God as a creator or or not? It's like, oh, I'm gonna go look for a job. Like you're still trying to put your responsibility outside yourself. I mean, they don't know any better, right? So you can't judge them. It's just now we get to reach out with a hand and say, hey, you want something better?

SPEAKER_02 1:50:58

We have the total complete answer for everybody that is best for everybody. It's not a only we benefit. Like we the world benefits. Uh the the you have to realize that we were created as a as a slave race. Yeah. All of us. We are we were created as slaves to somebody who wanted to be God. And it's like we're slaves on a plantation. We wake up one day, and some of us realize that the plantation master died.

SPEAKER_11 1:51:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:24

And everyone's acting like he's still there.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:27

And it's just, and then everything's going to shit. The plantation's falling apart because there's no one directing it anymore. And everyone's assuming, oh no, like he's going to order that shipment of grain for us to plant and all that. Yeah, it's coming and it doesn't come. And then some people are like freaking out. And they're just like, why is the master not helping us? I don't understand. Like, what's going on? It's like we have to help people realize, like, yes, we were programmed and born here as slaves, but now there's no slave master anymore. We have to stand up together and create the plantation into what we'd actually want it to be.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:58

I mean, if you woke up and found out slowly by indications that you were in hell, you know. What would you do? Would you just accept it? Like, because I think the vast majority of people are just accepting it. They they would, you know, like that that's what they are doing currently, right? That's it. It's like they just woke up and they're like, Oh, I'm in hell. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:24

That sucks. I'll still apply for another job.

unknown 1:52:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:29

Like, dude, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 1:52:32

Like, yeah, we can do something, actually. We we can get out of this.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:37

Isn't it cool though? If you guys look at your own process, myself included, like, we've had to go through all these layers to be able to stand for other people and be like, hey, like, I know what you're going through, I understand, but like we can all get through this together.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:49

Actually, I did not start off like thinking the way that I do now, obviously. You know, like I saw something recently, and I thought that Katie had sent it to me, but I guess not. I I just happened to see the same one that she was describing of like this woman um talking about like okay, I'm kind of embarrassed to share this, but like, you know, I am having a spiritual awakening, and oh my god, I can't believe I'm gonna say you know, and I'm watching this and uh and my first initial thought was like this stupid, like dumb bitch. But but if I'm being honest, like I was there at one point, I was totally there at one point where I I would have been like, you know, what other answer can she see?

Pledge Of Allegiance And Cold War God

SPEAKER_02 1:53:40

I know, I know she's still following her mind and she doesn't realize that. So that's like literally, I just really want people to understand in our group that it's like if you saw a kitten on the side of the road injured, what would you do? Like, you know, like you don't you're not flying down the freeway, like you go outside of a restaurant, you see a kitten laying on the ground, meow, meow, meow, meow, what would you do? Would you just be like that sucks to be you? Or would most people, if they practically can, they like pick up the kitten and take it home and maybe take it to a shelter or whatever, right? But it's like when we see these people on Instagrams, that's like the little kitten laying there, like crying. And the problem is you can't just take that person home and do everything for them. But now it's like there's millions and will be billions of kittens. There already are, you just not see all of them, like crying on the side of the road, and we're just like, Well, they should they should pull themselves up and you know they should get work harder and they should do all this. And I'm like, the boomers, man, like that's their attitude. Yeah, they're like, I worked hard for this. I'm like, you built this. I'm not blaming them because I get it. It's just I don't I don't have any blame for them, but if they're gonna act like, oh, we should just uh work harder, then fuck them. You know what I'm saying? It's okay. I'm not blaming you for building it. I get it, I understand, but don't stand in the way of us creating what's best. Like just back the fuck off, shut up, go watch your fucking uh memes and shit, like doom scroll if you fucking want to, but don't stand up here and then try to stop us who are actually presenting the solution and fixing the problem that they participated in creating, right? And I can say maybe I participated in creating it a long time ago too. Fine, but I don't have to blame myself. Like now we can solve the problem. Yeah, you guys want to see that other thing? Yeah, Shimmer. So so so Mitch, you were asking about kind of how all this ties together, and I had this interesting realization. I'll show you guys. Um the Pledge of Allegiance, right? Yes. So the original version is Oh shit, I'm about to get fucking mind mind-blown. I think it might blow your mind a little bit. I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Wow. So no God, no Christianity, nothing in there. Liberty, justice for all. That's definitely not in religion. Um, so I like that for all language.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:01

That's nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:02

Yeah, with best for all. Yeah. Well, for all. Who I mean who what you you think you can determine what's liberty for all? You can determine what's justice for all. Who are you to say that? I'm like, well, it's in your fucking Pledge of Allegiance. Yeah. Um, I'll show you one more thing because I don't think we talked about this on the podcast. Here's the 1954 version. What's the only thing they added in 1954? Under God.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:27

Under God. Tell me you're a slave without saying explicitly you're a slave.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:32

What was going on in 1954?

SPEAKER_01 1:56:35

Cold Wars.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:36

The Cold War. Okay. And who are we fighting against? The atheist communists. So they put this in here to make like we're the ones who are on the side of God, they're the atheists, they're the communists who want to just destroy everything that's good about Western civilization. So I I'm pointing this out to highlight that that's when it all clicked this particular point. I'm like, oh, when they want to justify war against somebody, that's when they bring in the God, that's when they bring in the Christianity, that's when they bring in all these points to manipulate all the people who still accept those points. This is why I've been saying I'm not against the idea of a thing that exists that is best for everybody, which I would call life, but that's what you're looking for in the concept of God. So I'm not against that, obviously. None of us are. We've never said anything against that. But by you accepting it as God, you're allowing yourself and everybody else to be manipulated on that word into a bunch of shit that's clearly not godly. Not in the certain, certainly not in the sense that Jesus was teaching about at all. He was trying to get away from that, like Thomas Jefferson was saying. So I was like, dude, again, that's what this is. They bring in the God in the Christianity, just like they're doing right now. And to your point about Netanyahu, I don't know to what degree he actually believes all that eschatology stuff, but let's just say he knows there's a big, like very powerful, connected, motivated group within, let's say Israel or around the world that does believe that stuff to some level. And it's like, okay, I can I can use your it's like um Jang says that point about movements that are successful is because they have a lot of energy, right? They have a lot of uh there's a word he uses coordination and synchronicity, yeah, synchronicity coordination, and they have a lot of energy and they move and they do things. So if you find a group like that, like the Chabad Lubavitch or whatever who believes in all the eschatology stuff, you're like, I'll use your fucking energy and your and your focus, but they're like, we're just gonna build AI God. So like they don't really believe it, but they'll talk like it because they're they're playing to that that point, right? So these guys are like, Yeah, don't worry, we'll manipulate you when we when you do everything we want you to do. So they're both kind of like trying to play each other, I would say. That's my perspective on it.

SPEAKER_13 1:58:49

Yeah, okay, okay. So it's in that most recent series that Professor Jang did, uh, the one that ends with Pax Judaica. Um, but there's one, it's he explains like how evil works. I think it's like number four on there. Um, and I'd only listened halfway through a while ago. So yesterday I was I was driving. I was like, you know what, let me just finish this one. And it's so fascinating. So he introduces this concept he calls the monad and the dyad. That's how the whatever uh I don't know if Plato would have verbatim called it that, but you know, a lot of these uh famous people throughout history and the monad being the oneness, that is everything, and then through its very breathing, creates and then it creates these dyads, and it reminds me a lot of actually Christian Gnosticism or uh Gnosticism, which is the original uh of of uh Christianity, where it's like you are one with the the source of everything, like it it is you, but what's interesting is well they didn't believe it is you, yes, but but that you should be connected to it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:56

So just broke just as a quick segue, like if you go through the reptilians and the Atlanteans, they explain this point of yes, they they're even believed at a long time ago that like there was this source, and and we had that belief, but there was this subtle distinction that it's not me, it's it's like I'm connected to the source at some level, dude. And it that's that's where the equality point breaks down, right?

SPEAKER_13 2:00:19

Right, and I I wanted to bring in so he it's kind of like throughout history, there's really been these two ways that people have tried to reconnect to the monad. And he says um Plato's version of it was through knowledge. Knowledge is how you could connect to the source, and then Dante was the proponent of where it's love, like love your neighbor, that that kind of thing. So these two ways to try and reconnect back to the source. However, that's the whole point that we're bringing through is you're not actually separate from it. You do accept and allow separation through your mind and your ego, but you actually are it. There's nothing that's not life. You can't be a counterfeit version.

Evil As Word Updates And Consent

SPEAKER_02 2:01:05

Yeah, you're it, and therefore you can create, and therefore what you're creating has consequences, but then you're thinking there's the source that you're connecting to, and then everyone's always like source, and they point outside the closer like God, God's out there, right? And in that belief, but it's literally that source will work out the consequences, yeah. And it's not that way, it's actually so on the one hand, someone says, Well, what what authority or what what gives me the right to act as that source? And it's like you could just give yourself that right because you are doing it anyways, but you just don't want to take the responsibility of being that source, because then you're like, Well, but now I'm responsible for everything. It's like, right, but that doesn't mean you can take response you can take back responsibility for everything, but the way I look at it with Destiny is it's like and this is what I think really Bernard stands as an example of for everybody is if I did accept that I am the source of all in my individualized form, how would I act in this individualized form, knowing that I am the source? I would only act in alignment with life itself, what is best for all. So everything I would bring into the world would be from that starting point. And now I am the source. I always was, but I was acting in contradiction to it. But now I could just live as that thing that I actually am. And if everyone did that, everything would work. I mean, a thousand percent better than it works now. But we've been all individualized, and then we're just trying to protect our own little self-interest point, not realizing it's just you as that source in an individualized form. But now you're thinking the form in that individualization is all that you are. So you lost your connection, even though what powers that form, what makes it alive, is the fact that you are actually the source. You're just acting in a mental space that you're tricking yourself, that you're not that. And that's where the mind consciousness system really comes into play. It's like that abstract place where you can pretend you're something that you're not.

SPEAKER_13 2:03:12

Yeah, yeah, and that and that's why we call it a process. Because it's not just in one moment you can realize it, it's then an ongoing living of it. That's why we call the group self-perfected, because you have to perfect yourself in every single breath. He brings up too that uh Immanuel Kant had this concept, he called it the geist, it's the German word, right? Where geist is like three words that are that come from this root is ghost, geyser, and gist. But it's that force that is always becoming what the the other one, the other one I know you're thinking of, yeah. And gis. Yeah, yeah. But actually, isn't that the source where it fucking comes from?

SPEAKER_05 2:04:01

That's a geyser right there.

SPEAKER_13 2:04:03

Yeah, so like that is this inherent animating force of our world. And it was just really fascinating when he said it, is that because everyone's like, well, where do we come from? It's like it's the actual monad itself, it's the source breathing into reality. And what do you do every moment of every fucking day you're breathing? Are you aware of it though, or not? That's that's a big part. Like, if you could just be aware of your breath every fucking moment, your life tends to get a lot better.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:36

Yeah, and and I think I was talking to someone the other day, and they were like, I just need to achieve that point of just being aware of my breath all the time. And I'm like, Well, look, you're seeing it as an end in itself, like when I get to that point, then I'll be able to do something. And I'm like, but look at reality. Can you actually at all times be aware of your breath? You can't practically, because there's so much shit going on. So my suggestion to that person was instead of trying to focus on that as the end goal, because I could see their starting point was giving some kind of power to that state, right? Which becomes a new form of spirituality. I was like, rather just consider when you start going into your mind and you start thinking about stuff and coming to conclusions, in that moment, become aware of your breath, slow down, and realize you were in your mind. So, and that's where the process point comes in, where it's like you can't just because what most people do is like, I just gotta sit for like 20 days and just sit in a cave and just focus on my breathing. You'll get distracted. Bernard already explained this. It's like you couldn't do it. Not that it's not like if you could, hey, problem solved because your mind would shut down and you would have to re-establish it. But you're not gonna be able to because you have to survive in this world, right? That's the system that we live in. Why don't we have a system where you could just be in your breath and be within that point? So you have because even that person I was talking to, I was like, they had all these ideas they came up with, and I'm like, in those moments, were you focusing on your breath? Or were you in your mind? And they were like, Oh yeah, I was in my mind. Like, so you see, like, even the ideas that you have about how you can get into a point of your breath, you're doing it in your mind. I'm like, how much time did you think about this concept of being in your breath? You're not in your breath in that moment either. Do you see what I'm saying? Like, so people will turn it into this thing, like it's the secret thing. And it's just actually a very common sense point. Like, you're breathing. And and I see it also as the the I'm not trying to put words into Bernard's mouth. That's just how I process the point. The the reason he's pointing out the breath is because everything else that you would attach significance to is really more to do with your mind, even the point of like your heartbeat, because that's another point. Like, if your heart's not beating, you're gonna die, right? But how much significance have we attached to the heart, right? I'm speaking from my heart, love, all that stuff. So it's been like hijacked, and the only thing that hasn't really been hijacked, although maybe to some degree people have tried to, is like the breath, the breath, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_13 2:07:15

You can see where that's been ripping your body for so they're still doing it.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:19

But his point is this like when you start going into this idea of how amazing things are and you're in all this energy, and the mind is so powerful, the mind is what creates. He's like, bring yourself back to reality. Is it the mind that creates? Because if your breathing stopped, you're fucked. So it's a reminder that it's the physical reality that's actually in control, not the shit in your mind, not your mind. Your mind isn't creating shit. You're you through your mind, you're thinking about stuff and planning stuff, but then you go within your physical body, you speak, you do things, and physical things have to change. That's where the actual source of power is coming from. That's where life is at. It's in the physical reality, it's not in some dimension of life out there, it's in this physical reality. So, ironically, through the process of promising us we could come here to the earth to go through some process to ascend into some light body where we can live forever as energy and shit, we were trapped here because of our self-interest, so that from a bigger perspective, we could realize we were totally separating ourselves from physical reality this whole time. And we were not taking responsibility for it, and we were abusing the physical reality for that purpose. So now we have to realize okay, actually, where is God? God is the physical reality that I'm in. If it did not exist, I wouldn't be here. There would be no possibility for mind. But you see how religion spirituality reverses it? No, it's mind first. No, the mind comes from the physical reality. Physical reality exists, it becomes aware of itself. That's the creation of the mind. It's through that process, not the other way around. Like there's just pure mind. And then what it invents physical reality? Like that's not, it's like in the beginning was the word. No, in the beginning was the prompt. Right. What? Right? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what God was doing, he was just prompting shit. But what what existed first? The prompting or the fucking data centers, the physical, actual hardware. That's what allows these things to speak. So the idea that God existed as this pure just speaking, and that's it, is so backwards. And it's funny too, because Christians will be like, all right, atheists. Obviously, uh the universe had a beginning, right? But what's the beginning of that? Obviously, it came from God. And I'm like, but what have where did God come from? Well, God always existed. Okay, stop. The universe always existed. There you go. Like you could apply the same logic to just reality, physical reality always existed. That's what's here from the beginning. Because otherwise, how do you explain how it came into existence? You have to think of some imaginary thing that you can't verify that's not here versus just the thing that's here is what always existed. Okay, that's it. We are that thing, and we allowed ourselves out of naivety, whatever, ignorance, whatever you want to call it, do a bunch of stuff that doesn't make any fucking sense, and now we've created where we're at now. That's really all that's happened. We've just created and molded reality into something that we actually are not satisfied with. Well, we're the only ones that are here. God's not here, He's not gonna change anything. And how many people on this planet right now are being manipulated within their minds of the idea that God's gonna come back and fix everything for us, even though it was us the ones who fucked it up in the first place. But also in your ideas, who created us the way we are? God. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was all part of a plan. Like, why did God create us? To me, he just was bored and he was lonely, and he wanted something to love, and he wanted someone to love him. Like, that's actually people's idea of what God is. It's really pathetic, actually. So, how from that starting point of God are you ever gonna have a reality that's best? You're not. You're just gonna have a reality where everybody waits for daddy to come home and fix the mess. But I'm saying this it's just not real, it's it's totally immature.

SPEAKER_13 2:11:28

Yeah. Yeah, it's really what it is. It's immaturity.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:36

Um I just wanted to shout out all of the uh the ladies in the group. I I'm not gonna go through all the videos. There's too many. There's too many.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:48

Yeah, like a lot of the women in the group have been making some really good stuff. Like honestly, guys, like the women are kind of more bold than some of the guys.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:57

Dude, you know what's fun is. Like uh Chantel was talking about some really good ones, right? Margo too. Yeah, and Chantel is like, you know, I've just been kind of like putting out the video, and uh then afterwards, then that that's when I get to like face the all the reactions that I'm having within myself. It's not even like you know, she she'll make the video and she'll post it, and then after posting it, she's like, Yeah, maybe that was a little bold.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:29

I want to let me add something real quick. Like, also, if the guys don't want to do the social media and let the women do that side of things, I'm that that's fine, like that makes sense. Like, but then go out there in the world and be the guys who are out there talking to people and bringing the people in that way, right? So I'm not saying, Oh, the ladies are doing way better, guys. You need to do the social media better. Like, I'm still gonna do social media, but for everybody, all the guys in the group, like you can compete with what women are doing not by trying to do better social media, you could just go out and talk to people and bring them in.

Shoutouts For Group Content Creators

SPEAKER_13 2:13:00

Yeah. Yeah, I I look at it like planting seeds, right? How many seeds can you plant every single day? Whether you're face to face, whether you're in a group, whether you go into an event, whether you host an event, whether you go knock on a door, whether you have a podcast, like volume of seeds planted every day. Like Johnny Appleseed. Well, that'd be a fucking sign up too. I don't even want to go there.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:29

No, let's not let's not look into it.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:34

Maybe I don't know. Johnny Apple, wait, what did Johnny Appleseed was a dispensationalist? No.

SPEAKER_13 2:13:41

And the actual grandfather of uh Herbert Monsanto of uh Monsanto spreading GMO seeds everyone.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:50

Oh boy. Yeah, I could see it. Alright, so let me let me just show you guys. I'm just gonna kind of go through really quickly all the ladies that have been sharing. Um I think I'll start with this one. Here's Jess. Jess got a has a cool video. Um this is from four days ago. Look at that. 1700 views. Awesome, Jess. Uh, this is Sandro. Sandro has a great video. Uh this is from five days ago. This has 11k views. No!

SPEAKER_03 2:14:25

Really cute. He's like turning his cow into a burger.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:29

Uh this one is a Leah. Aaliyah one days ago. This got almost 1200 views. 1198. 1198.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:40

Uh this one is This is where we need the soundboard to be able to do sound effects on stuff.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:45

Yeah, uh, Mitchell, come on. What are you doing over there? Oh, okay. I'm finding it. Get to fucking work. This is Amy. Amy, this is from five days ago. It's got 3,000 views. 3,200. Oh, there we go. There we go. Great job. Uh, this is uh Christine, my wife. Uh, three days ago, my wife. Uh, it's got 2,500 views. Let's go, babe. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:13

Yes. There we go.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:15

Uh, this one is Giselle. I'm gonna play this one because it is funny as fuck. But this is from three days ago, and it's got 11k views. I thought that was really funny. All right, this one is Chantel. This one's from six days ago, and it's got four thousand views. 4,100. Let's go. Give her a pa. Yeah, come on. There we go. There it is.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:49

There it is.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:50

Uh, but no, she's been doing some really great videos. Look at that. This is from two days ago, it's got 3,000 views on it. Give her a there. You go, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:01

I like the double tap. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:03

Uh this one is from Kayla two days ago. Two days ago, and it's got uh 375 views. Yes, yes. That that was you guys went and ate some maple syrup or something, Mitch? What was that about?

SPEAKER_13 2:16:21

Homeschool Haven taking over. All the homeschool families who are interested in it are gonna join our committee. Spopper burn. We had 22 kids there.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:32

Wow, that's amazing! That's super cool. Yeah, shout out, Mitchell. Okay, this one is from Madeline. Uh, and it's uh two days ago. It's got 3,400 views. Let's go.

SPEAKER_13 2:16:44

It's a lot of impulsing, guys.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:46

Yes, yes. And then this one.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:50

Never do that one again. I okay, all right. I liked it. I like the I like the siren. I like the air horn.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:57

Yeah, uh, this one is from Marg. Really funny hook right there. Um this is from like 13 hours ago, and it's already got 2,700 views. Let's do it. Ooh, yes, I love it. That's what I'm talking about. And then uh Valley's also got some that she's been doing over the last few days. You don't follow Margot back? The fuck? I don't follow any of these fucking people.

SPEAKER_13 2:17:24

Follow them! Come on, Drake! Where's the boo sound? Yeah, find that. Find that.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:37

Alright, I'll follow them.

SPEAKER_13 2:17:39

Did the boo sound happen?

SPEAKER_02 2:17:43

He said he'll follow them, so give him some applause. I need there we go. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:50

I feel much better now. Thanks, Mitchell. Um, so yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:17:57

That one's called Heartbeat Fast. All right, Jess, can you take away the that's enough, Mitchell?

SPEAKER_03 2:18:02

That's enough.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:05

Such boomer sounds. Hilarious. Um, no, but that that is awesome that you ladies and some guys are doing that. That is super cool because listen, there are people out there that they need this. They're those broken kittens that Mitchell or Cameron was talking about. Um, but not only kittens. Not only that, it's like the these people are now waking up to the fact that they're in hell. They're now, you know, just waking up to that fact.

SPEAKER_13 2:18:35

The charade is over, the music has stopped.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:18:39

The writing is on the wall.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:40

The writing is on the wall.

SPEAKER_13 2:18:42

Hey, didn't someone put something in the comments where that phrase comes from?

SPEAKER_05 2:18:45

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:18:46

Where does it come from? Daniel.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:49

Doesn't it come from oh is it Daniel?

SPEAKER_06 2:18:51

Yeah.

Existential Crisis Hotline Plug And Schedule

SPEAKER_02 2:18:52

Oh yeah, yeah. Um another shout out. Uh I'm gonna be doing those live streams. Uh not every night. I'll probably figure out a schedule. But uh existential crisis hotline.

SPEAKER_13 2:19:05

Do you do them like eight eight thirty central?

SPEAKER_02 2:19:07

I've been doing it uh yeah, I was starting at eight, eight thirty. I have to do like all these things with the animals first, so that's why I chose 8.30. What is the bet do you post about it on Facebook? I'm also re wait, oh, post about it.

SPEAKER_13 2:19:19

Like, how does someone find the link? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:21

It's kick.com slash cameroncope. But yeah, I've been posting it every time I go live, I'll put it on Facebook. And then last night, Katie was like, hey, talk about it on Instagram. And I was like, oh yeah. So I just made a quick like, hey, about to go live and at 8 30 or whatever. So I'll I'll keep doing that. Um but yeah, you can share the link. And uh I think I don't know what the next one's gonna be about. I forgot. But it doesn't really matter. It's basically uh neurodivergence.

SPEAKER_13 2:19:47

Best for all neurodivergence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:49

Um but uh yeah, I I I can I can see a point where it could evolve to being like people can call in and then I can walk them through their existential crisis. That would be awesome. That would be the best.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:02

I that's all I want from your podcast live stream is for you to have an existential crisis hotline.

SPEAKER_13 2:20:11

Yeah, or like you know how uh like Dave Ramsey, right? You can call in, they're like, caller, you're on the air. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:16

I mean, I see people doing it. Like, I I watched some of Clavicular's scre stream, and he was doing that. Like, people would I don't know how he was setting it up, I don't know how they were doing it, but they would he would click on someone's name, they'd pop up, they'd ask him a question, and he'd be like, he'd answer it or be like, it's gonna be so great.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:34

Yeah, clavicular. Step aside, church. Okay, listen. Um, I I also had this um financial crash thing from Diary of a CEO. Oh, yeah, that that oh yeah, AI thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:20:46

Dude, play that one. Play that one. Yeah. Dude, that shit is crazy. I'll be right back. Where are you going?

SPEAKER_11 2:20:53

I have to pee pee.

SPEAKER_06 2:20:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 2:20:57

And the thing, the principle there that allows you to see what the future might look like when it's exponential and not linear is imagining any rate of improvement. And so this is how I think or always in my business is when I'm thinking about which bet to make, I imagine if there's just 5% rate of improvement per quarter, eventually this happens. And so with some things we've done on the show, we started two years ago, and for the first 18 months, it didn't work. And then six months ago, it uploaded because eventually the rate of improvement got to the point where it was viable, and now it's the single most important disruptive thing we've ever done. And I think about what I the example I just gave there of agents. I'm like, if you just imagine any rate of improvement, just imagine one percent a year. And obviously it's way more than that, but imagine one percent a month. Eventually we get to a point where a team of agents could be.

SPEAKER_09 2:21:42

If nothing disrupts it, one thing that is very likely to happen in the next three years is the whole thing comes crashing down. It doesn't financially make any sense to build the data centers that we're building.

SPEAKER_08 2:21:53

But you're not saying that AI is going to disappear.

SPEAKER_09 2:21:56

The technology itself is remarkable, but the financial model just makes no sense whatsoever at the moment. Aaron Powell At the moment, which is kind of typical of big bubbles, right? So over the last 180 years, there have been infrastructure build-outs that have bankrupted the economy consistently again and again and again. In fact, there's a pattern. Whenever we spend more than 3% of the overall GDP of the economy on an infrastructure build-out, it bankrupts the economy briefly for 10 years, right? So this happened when we did railway tracks. In fact, it happened twice in the UK and twice in um the USA. Then we bankrupt ourselves putting the electrification grid in place. We bankrupted ourselves putting uh highways in place. Now there's something that makes this worse than ever before. And that is that when we built train tracks, they lasted for 100 years. When we built roads, they lasted 50 plus years. For telecommunications grid uh fiber optics, 30 years. All of these investments were multi-decade investments that we could get benefit from and leverage for decades. Data centers last three to four years before they need to be replaced. So we are building something that has a three to four year life cycle that costs hundreds of billions and it has to be replaced every few years. And there is no financial model attached to this that justifies it at all. So one thing that I'm predicting is that in 2029, a hundred years after the Great Depression, we will see a massive financial meltdown based off the back of these data centers that have been developed at the moment. And for someone that doesn't know what a data center is, so it's like a big Walmart or an airport filled with computers, and those computers are running AI, right? So every time you go on AI, you're actually, you know, your request is going off to a big computer in a Walmart-sized building somewhere. But those GPUs, those uh computer stacks, those big ginormous computers, they are like iPhones. They last about three years before they get superseded. This year ahead, we're going to spend$650 billion.$650 billion sounds like so abstract. It's the equivalent of giving every single person in America an iPhone Pro with AirPods. But here's the crazy thing: 95% of people who are being given the free uh iPhone are not willing to pay for it. And the tiny number of people who are willing to pay for it, they're only willing to pay$20 a month, most of them. So this$20 a month, everyone's getting a free iPhone effectively. And then a small 5% of people are willing to pay$20 a month. The numbers are just astronomically out of balance. The numbers are astronomically out of balance. So what happens next? You're predicting in 2029 there's a financial crash. There's not a 0% chance that the financial model around what we've launched with AI is catastrophic. It's a huge financial problem that very few people are talking about. So let's talk about in a world of AI.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:51

Okay, you can pause it there. What are that's the point. Um everyone grasp that and just to be clear on that point he was saying about it's like some people aren't even willing to pay for it. He's meaning like there's all the models that are free. There's a rate limit, but then some people are like, well, I don't like that rate limit, I'll pay the$20 a month for my Chat GPT Pro or whatever. Right. So that's what he's referring to. So when you think about the math of how do they recoup their investment, like with the railroads, I don't know how it works, but they must have to pay something to use the railroads. I don't know how it worked back then. But with the telecommunications infrastructure, we had to pay for the cell phones or the telephone service or whatever, and everybody had to pay for it, and you had to pay for long distance, all that stuff, right? So with this, they're already starting off with basically you can do it for free, or you can basically pay$20 a month. And I know there's tiers above that, but it's like it's such a small percentage of people doing that. What's the payoff exactly? And my my prediction is that um my prediction is there is no payoff. And that's when they introduce the new system, which is you're just gonna get credits to use your AI. We own everything, we own the power, we own the energy sources, we're gonna meter it all out to you, just like Sam Altman said. And basically, you're only gonna get this stuff if you're a good citizen and you do what we say and you don't, you know, you toe the line. Um, and so the payoff is not they're we're going to pay for it with a with a with the subscriptions or like you'd pay for your cell phone and internet service. The payoff is gonna be that the elite are totally in control of everybody's lives. That's gonna be the payoff.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:37

I think there's also this other point there that's unsaid, which is in order to use the in order to use other parts of I don't know, like infrastructure that you need, you're going to have to log in with like a specific key that's gonna update. And I'm I'm just kind of you know, like, this is just off the top of my head. Because I'm I'm looking at it like there are a ton of people right now who really like you just said, there are a ton of people who they're getting this thing, but they're not willing to pay for it. They don't want to use it. They don't care, actually. But they're gonna make it necessary to use it.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:20

You know, just like you pretty much have to use your phone. Like there's there's cities where you can't get a parking spot unless you log in with your phone.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:28

Right, right, right, right. For an example. So you're gonna have to use AI for like, hey, what's today's code or whatever, so that you can access your fucking water or some shit.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:38

We we went to get ice cream the other day at Andy's and uh I gave him my card because I have this little like rewards card, and I didn't know if it was a gift card or what it was, I just had it in my wallet, and I was like, hey, I don't know if there's anything on this, and it was like not working. And he's like, Oh, is this a rewards card? And I'm like, Yeah, maybe it's a rewards card. He's like, Oh yeah, no, we um we don't use them anymore. Everything's on the app. Like trying to log in, it doesn't remember my password. I'm like, dude, fuck this, just just give me the ice cream, I don't care. But like literally, I couldn't get the rewards program for the ice cream that you signed up for that without my phone, right?

SPEAKER_13 2:28:12

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:14

So there you go.

SPEAKER_13 2:28:15

Yeah, it's where the world's headed.

Pokemon Go As Robot Training Data

SPEAKER_02 2:28:16

So I I got something to show in this context, guys, and then I have something I really want to show that's so funny. Oh because I got I got it. But okay, but this I saw this isn't the best article about it, but I just it's just the one I could find last minute. Oh, yes, yes, it's so everybody was playing this Pokemon Go. Not me. And um Mitchell was everybody Pokemon, you would like uh dude. I I remember Kitty and I did it. It was like I don't I don't know. Cameron actually did it. Yeah, it was fun, dude. You for like for like a couple no, no, for like a couple days.

SPEAKER_13 2:28:48

Didn't someone like didn't someone fall off a cliff doing this?

SPEAKER_02 2:28:51

Uh it was insane. Like it was just like a fun thing to be a part of, which I know it's fucking retarded. Like I wouldn't do it now, but yes.

SPEAKER_13 2:28:57

Like a year ago, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:00

No, it was like it was it was like 2017, or I don't know, maybe it says on there. It's 2016, right? It was a long time ago. But it was like everybody was doing it, and like you'd go around outside and it would tell you where to go to find a Pokemon. And like I remember we went to uh the uh the park in Houston, I forget which one it is, but it's like one of the big ones where there's like this big reflective pool and all this stuff, and there was I if I said a thousand people, I wouldn't be surprised. It was like it was like where the zoo is at, and so it was just like so many people there, all trying to like find this like rare Pokemon or whatever, right? And so, you know, time goes by. What is this like 20 10 years later, right? And then now all this information's coming out that like they were doing it to get everybody to like take pictures of everything in fucking reality, yeah. And they've been using that as free training that they're now using it to program the delivery robots and probably other stuff too. This is just the first article I could found about or find about it. Um so that's the payoff, isn't it? Because like it was free, you could play the game, you didn't have to pay for it, and it was like this free game you're playing, but you're actually doing a billion dollars of work for these.

SPEAKER_13 2:30:18

You're gonna bring this back to episode 48, Computer Love, where we talked about the implantable technology, and you're gonna basically do jumping jacks.

SPEAKER_02 2:30:26

Oh yeah, yeah, the cryptocurrency mining.

SPEAKER_13 2:30:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:30:28

Um, remember so in that other thing we were looking at, the guy was talking about the railroads, right? Yeah, I don't know if you guys watched this or not, but I had to watch it like three times because it was so fucking funny. Did you see this?

unknown 2:30:41

No.

SPEAKER_02 2:30:42

Okay. This is this is just so funny to me. This guy really likes trades. You know what I'm saying? They really like trains.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:48

I I've seen other videos from the same guy.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:51

Watch this beautiful piece of cinema.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:55

I'm staying up extra late tonight to see a test train pull into Brighton station. One of my favourite locomotives might be on it, so we'll just have to wait and see. Oh, that's it! That's it! Oh quick, I've gotta get round. I've gotta get round to see it. Beautiful 73962. Dick my butt. What a beautiful locomotive she is. Check out all the gear in there. Another marvelous loco. I'm glad I stayed up late for this. This is a treat.

SPEAKER_16 2:31:41

I love when he says, I'm glad I stayed up late for this, and he's like catching his breath, oh I gotta get to the train. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:48

I was like, dude, that's I love that view he does where it's like it looks makes him look like an alien or like a big-headed guy. What did we just watch right there?

SPEAKER_05 2:31:57

Did you see the one where he's like one of the most updated trains being pulled by one of the oldest trains in the system? Oh my gosh, he gets so fucking hyped. Like it's ridiculous. And he he has that view where it makes him look like an alien, and he's running. Oh, I think I have seen that he's running.

SPEAKER_13 2:32:21

So he's actually serious, or is this like I think it's a guy who really likes trains? He's dead fucking seriously. So even though it said Dickma Butt, it was like that's the name of the train appear.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:32

I like when he goes, What a beautiful, and I thought he was gonna say name, and he's like, you know, beautiful example of a modern loco or whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:41

Dick Ma Butt. I'm pretty sure, Mitch.

SPEAKER_05 2:32:44

I'm I'm pretty sure he's like, you know, that level of autism.

SPEAKER_13 2:32:48

Yeah, which is I just found that was very funny. I was like, did he just make up the name of that train? No, it's very name.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:56

To be fair, like uh that's kind of how I am when I'm like reading these Thomas Jefferson letters.

SPEAKER_16 2:33:03

He says the Abrahamic religions are this. Oh, I can't believe I found this. Oh, I have to look at this letter to John Adams from 1823.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:12

You want that kind of energy? Watch the live stream. And like it's not a podcast, it's a live stream, so don't come here expecting it to be structured.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:19

This I don't know how much structure we put onto this. Katie's Katie's like coming at me. I don't know what that's about. Yeah. She said it's not a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:28

Podcasts are different than live streams.

SPEAKER_05 2:33:30

Okay, Katie.

Upcoming Trips And Final Goodbye

SPEAKER_02 2:33:31

Chill. Integrate the vocab, guys. Uh alright. Anything else? No. I don't have I mean there's so much we didn't cover, but yeah. Crews coming up. It's gonna be fun. Looking forward to it. Yes. I'm gonna be visiting Drake uh right beforehand. Wait, what? He's already prepared with a list of uh lobster rolls.

SPEAKER_13 2:33:52

Wait, when when are you when are you visiting Drake? When you leave? Right, when you leave. Instead of staying at a hotel.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:57

Yeah, instead of staying at a hotel, we're gonna stay at his His villa. At my question.

SPEAKER_13 2:34:01

I'm staying at the villa too, but right beforehand. So I'll make it all messy for you guys. Wait.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:07

We come in on Sunday. Are you gonna shove us all into like the same room? Oh my gosh. Are we all having are you gonna make us all sleep in the cat room? Oh, that would be amazing. Seneca would love it.

SPEAKER_13 2:34:19

You got a cat room?

SPEAKER_03 2:34:20

We have a cat room. It's bigger than half the house. It's like the master bedroom.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:24

It's just yeah. Yeah. So you guys can all sleep in there with the cat. I'm sure she wouldn't mind too much. Great.

SPEAKER_13 2:34:34

That's in two weeks. Damn, Drake, in two weeks. Yeah, we'll see you. I'm excited. Come back next week for more sound effects.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:45

All right, y'all. That was good. Well, parenting call next. See y'all on the flip side. Yeah. Parenting call. Get hype. I don't know what we're talking about, but it's gonna be fun. See you guys there. All right. See you next time. Bye. Bye.

unknown 2:34:59

Bye.

SPEAKER_14 2:34:59

Self-perfecting. Making things clear.